From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stephen Leake Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: project.el semantics Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 13:35:21 -0600 Message-ID: <86tworc8p2.fsf@stephe-leake.org> References: <86pp1j4ejm.fsf@stephe-leake.org> <563EA9B9.5080404@yandex.ru> <86vb9dufs0.fsf@stephe-leake.org> <563F4915.1080008@yandex.ru> <867flrbksb.fsf@stephe-leake.org> <56409F2D.9060300@yandex.ru> <5641412B.8080106@yandex.ru> <564145FC.5020905@yandex.ru> <5641634C.9000409@yandex.ru> <5641CCCB.6050206@yandex.ru> <86h9kt777c.fsf@stephe-leake.org> <5642924D.80304@yandex.ru> <56429A5A.6050600@yandex.ru> <86vb98508w.fsf@stephe-leake.org> <564342E8.1080906@yandex.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1447356964 29070 80.91.229.3 (12 Nov 2015 19:36:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 19:36:04 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 12 20:35:53 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Zwxez-0007QU-JX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 12 Nov 2015 20:35:53 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49444 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zwxey-0005Tb-Qr for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 12 Nov 2015 14:35:52 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:37941) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zwxeg-0005TV-Kl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Nov 2015 14:35:35 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zwxed-0004sD-1z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Nov 2015 14:35:34 -0500 Original-Received: from gproxy8-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com ([67.222.33.93]:32920) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zwxec-0004qj-HM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Nov 2015 14:35:30 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail 26571 invoked by uid 0); 12 Nov 2015 19:35:28 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (HELO cmgw2) (10.0.90.83) by gproxy8.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2015 19:35:28 -0000 Original-Received: from host114.hostmonster.com ([74.220.207.114]) by cmgw2 with id gjbN1r00h2UdiVW01jbRnY; Thu, 12 Nov 2015 12:35:26 -0700 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=Jv9i8qIC c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=CQdxDb2CKd3SRg4I0/XZPQ==:117 a=CQdxDb2CKd3SRg4I0/XZPQ==:17 a=DsvgjBjRAAAA:8 a=f5113yIGAAAA:8 a=9i_RQKNPAAAA:8 a=hEr_IkYJT6EA:10 a=x_XPkuGwIRMA:10 a=qtqOOiqGOCEA:10 a=vaJtXVxTAAAA:8 a=HPx9Gozl7EQ8SxirepcA:9 Original-Received: from [76.218.37.33] (port=56259 helo=TAKVER2) by host114.hostmonster.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwxeW-0002S7-8t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Nov 2015 12:35:24 -0700 In-Reply-To: (Steinar Bang's message of "Thu, 12 Nov 2015 09:46:51 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (windows-nt) X-Identified-User: {2442:host114.hostmonster.com:stephele:stephe-leake.org} {sentby:smtp auth 76.218.37.33 authed with stephen_leake@stephe-leake.org} X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 67.222.33.93 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:194277 Archived-At: Steinar Bang writes: >>>>>> Dmitry Gutov : > >> On 11/11/2015 11:55 AM, Stephen Leake wrote: >>> Dmitry Gutov writes: >>> >>>> project vs libraries. Or, "files we own and edit" vs "files we >>>> sometimes want to look at" (and maybe edit during debugging). > >>> Those are conflicting criteria, so you are proving my point. > >> I don't see that. > > (FWIW I didn't see that either...? The distinction Dmitry made, made > perfect sense to me, with my Java and Python glasses on (...and Java and > Python is where I currently want better emacs support)) Just because something is a "library" doesn't mean you can't edit it. But I guess you are all saying that is exactly what it means; Ok. There might also be other dependencies (not libraries) that you should not edit, that are editable in other circumstances, via other projects. For example, you are on a team that maintains several top-level projects, and a low-level utility project shared by all. You are not allowed to change the utility project unless you are implementing a change order. So in your everyday project, the utility dependecy is read-only. You also have a change-order project, that makes the utility dependency read-write. So it would be best to have "project-read-write-roots" and "project-read-only-roots". That would be much clearer. Except I'd prefer a predicate, as discussed in the other emails. -- -- Stephe