From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#70587: More buffers that ought to be read-only Date: Sun, 05 May 2024 08:36:37 +0300 Message-ID: <86ttjces62.fsf@gnu.org> References: <86bk5wz8a6.fsf@gnu.org> <8734r7b73v.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <86zftfw841.fsf@gnu.org> <86bk5uul0z.fsf@gnu.org> <864jbltt1k.fsf@gnu.org> <8634qxhldq.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="9583"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: dmitry@gutov.dev, 70587@debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca To: Dan Jacobson Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun May 05 07:37:48 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1s3UZH-0002CQ-8d for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 05 May 2024 07:37:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1s3UZ9-00034M-Vk; Sun, 05 May 2024 01:37:40 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1s3UZ8-00034B-My for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 05 May 2024 01:37:38 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:5::43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1s3UZ8-0005Pw-Ef for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 05 May 2024 01:37:38 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1s3UZV-0000sq-JX for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 05 May 2024 01:38:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 05 May 2024 05:38:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 70587 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 70587-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B70587.17148874353387 (code B ref 70587); Sun, 05 May 2024 05:38:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 70587) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 May 2024 05:37:15 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57765 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1s3UYl-0000sZ-4f for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 May 2024 01:37:15 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:43670) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1s3UYg-0000sT-2Y for 70587@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 May 2024 01:37:13 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1s3UYC-0005Lu-OO; Sun, 05 May 2024 01:36:40 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=XWR59QhkdyoPYYFG2SxqlWzFYp4QyMgl3TC7+8CyHtc=; b=jPtD/FOfi1UC XZRwQEzTboYsdYIRAB1RFZTNIptPzG9qje+vXFU6MP97JacyjBb4cj4ageVeVsb9ZPLA+NyKjahpA GSFlhwFu6+vWpXLTIxtWf+rBqzZAguARI7n3F18IjQrFb6ZFbGXjgFvVLkKATTQsI/eG14mnLYhc2 6trHFxWKXY8p51Nx6Ypcqk34aPooHnxPqnd56asIpIzNghpSb/NvpEBmPPzJpXhiO83WTIqta+JAS xiBQAumOA77Uf16VUx76GhGlOZne5jDIXdUyMEtW91hLYCgVoBgy4qATJX6udhCIu6N8jqePTnoMX d0SwYkF0PfJx1gBJOdjKzw==; In-Reply-To: (message from Dan Jacobson on Sun, 5 May 2024 05:40:03 +0800) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:284481 Archived-At: > Date: Sun, 5 May 2024 05:40:03 +0800 > From: Dan Jacobson > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , Dmitry Gutov , > 70587@debbugs.gnu.org > > On Sat, May 04, 2024 at 10:36:07AM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > [ So, by and large, I agree with Dan that things like `*Shell Command > > Output*` and errors buffers might benefit from being made read0only by > > default. ] > > Currently there is no way for users to even make *Shell Command > Output* read only even if they wanted. No hook. No variable. Nothing. > > Execpt of course manually hitting C-x C-q. Good thing at least one can also set view-read-only. I'm okay with adding a hook, patches welcome. > Also what's so good about having *Shell Command Output* read-write, > when anything you change will get lost? Unless OK, you are planning to > feed it back in to a second shell-command-on-region. I'm sorry, but this kind of reasoning is a non-starter. That you personally (and a couple of others) would prefer those buffers to be read-only is not a reason good enough to make the change affect everyone else, given that the current behavior is very old. Not going to happen.