From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#68765: 30.0.50; Adding window-tool-bar package. 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The convention > appears to be "use mode, Capital Case Name" for specific modes and > "mode, lower case" for concepts. There's 76 other examples of "@cindex > mode," in the Emacs manual already, the majority of which follow that > convention. > > The only examples I could find not following the convention are: "mode, > archive", "mode, tar", "mode, display-fill-column-indicator". Nevertheless, I stand by what I wrote. The examples which you quote, whether they are a few or not, are mistakes: letter-case affects sorting of index entries in locale-dependent way, so index entries that us capital letters will appear in a different order in different locales, which is not a good thing. > I will try to redescribe it. I have a typo in the existing description. > Change "all windows" to "each window". The idea is that each window > gets its own tool bar *inside the window*, specifically on the window's > tab line. Ideally I think I would just show a picture (see attached > image), but I see very few pictures in any of the Emacs manuals and none > of them show up in the HTML output at > https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/, only in the PDF. I don't think there were images in our manuals in previous versions, which is why they don't appear in HTML. Pictures have a disadvantage in that they cannot be displayed on TTY frames, so a picture that cannot be replaced by some "ASCII art" generally means the reader on a TTY frame will be at a disadvantage. I will wait for the next version to see if my questions are now answered or we need to discuss them further. Thanks.