From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#73709: 29.4; Doc of `file-newer-than-file-p' Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2024 11:40:26 +0300 Message-ID: <86ttdhyarp.fsf@gnu.org> References: <86h69msbhi.fsf@gnu.org> <87set6aytj.fsf@web.de> <864j5l4d2x.fsf@gnu.org> <87v7y0kgl7.fsf@web.de> <861q0o2xbe.fsf@gnu.org> <87cyk7trma.fsf@web.de> <86y12vyygh.fsf@gnu.org> <87jzee88m9.fsf@web.de> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="5439"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 73709@debbugs.gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com To: Michael Heerdegen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 12 10:41:18 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1szXgb-0001Fe-IO for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 12 Oct 2024 10:41:17 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1szXgB-0007fB-I8; Sat, 12 Oct 2024 04:40:51 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1szXg8-0007cE-R0 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Oct 2024 04:40:49 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:5::43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1szXg8-0002b4-Gn for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Oct 2024 04:40:48 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=debbugs.gnu.org; s=debbugs-gnu-org; h=References:In-Reply-To:From:Date:To:Subject; bh=9kLKX4J+z7JnLUhh6PawtZYxI52Twd7o4lPJw97MwH0=; b=aTsLYoh33cxaoZqXjVLFbZ6CjIBMDXnqx0lHJGwIGk0oPK3XhDbu2ZPKaeGGjuwrs1/1hrRuq2khDA1rDjnP6yD4I6Gz9S1EIXojWxv26ZQSLrMwFFGz5c+Yhda6biZNLFTPL2w0SpBOUjU+wRYSc4Z9IH+FR16s+KPxvvU6Kvty+8nRXybnAnyzLHomjGpMgsVH/WXnezojOQbE4Afk5nFH9IichiIzaeVeL/HRn9Ji8m/DGtxskJMAsuJlk0llKiqPXiJKxfX40widr1xyrYr0pu6sjJrLwwEamiZuES3xIlLRzUsxHPL86c/5YbTMUCt/rRQpxZtDdCgSAK/5Fw==; Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1szXgL-0005wn-OY for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Oct 2024 04:41:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2024 08:41:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 73709 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug wontfix Original-Received: via spool by 73709-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B73709.172872245122836 (code B ref 73709); Sat, 12 Oct 2024 08:41:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 73709) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Oct 2024 08:40:51 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36257 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1szXgB-0005wF-5H for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Oct 2024 04:40:51 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:59636) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1szXg9-0005vz-KW for 73709@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Oct 2024 04:40:50 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1szXfq-0002ZE-4U; Sat, 12 Oct 2024 04:40:30 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=9kLKX4J+z7JnLUhh6PawtZYxI52Twd7o4lPJw97MwH0=; b=f1GuM5cKplNG kXRUvJm5X9BTNqORqz0zAcqB29slFWiaZJxfhYnNShVGoD8fCkoO/kLlUI0LU8EuSOJzZprhdazer 5ZCYq/uDoe+QZ/VY7XuOJoNESgNQf6FbjNlDWsB1pe+qIETekF5K8SXg6lOarnpC0ztigqDwjqq5z 6iSk1tgBt1UVaInhXA2Bn0c+nL/jncEIEqc6mukx3DoJLqckloJ+hR1S13IXll8ZSbDXviCl3NZiX Rn+gq+CCM6Ec12JLhBVbFUXvApGEsi0g4tNzzDSkdek8oukTeUCDC2o98LyiMEnztshgiHazIo0Cs juIch4r6BL7miZU3EK5eZA==; In-Reply-To: <87jzee88m9.fsf@web.de> (message from Michael Heerdegen on Sat, 12 Oct 2024 02:31:26 +0200) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:293402 Archived-At: > From: Michael Heerdegen > Cc: 73709@debbugs.gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com > Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2024 02:31:26 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > Better idea about what? > > About how to prevent a misunderstanding of the doc for people that not > > already know the abstraction or intended meaning of "new" here. I don't, maybe because for me "newer" is clear enough. But I'm open to suggestions. > > > And: Sure can you ask for my help, but, with all respect, please not in > > > such a way, Eli. > > > > Sigh. Why do you have to interpret what I write in the worst possible > > way? It's possible that my dry humor is sometimes too dry, but > > there's nothing other than dry humor in what I wrote above. I'd > > expect everyone here would recognize that by now, but I guess not... > > > This is what you wrote: > > > Very well, but please remember your opinions in this matter, because > > if someone comes up asking for more details about "last modification > > times" (perhaps even Drew himself, e.g. because someone asked some > > question on SE), I will defer to you and Stefan to deal with the > > fallout. > > For me this is not funny. Especially when mentioning Drew who you often > have arguments with. "Dry, maybe too dry humor" looks like an euphemism > of "sarcasm" to me in this case. At least like masked anger. Humor > that is about others can go awry. > > But maybe I just did not understand what was funny about that. It was supposed to humorously say that you will be the "guilty parties" for any followup complaints about this. But even if it was not funny, there's no reason to perceive it as anything but an unsuccessful joke or even simply unclear wording. Why on earth would you assume that I meant to offend or insult?