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From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
To: ams@gnu.org
Cc: kfogel@red-bean.com, David Reitter <david.reitter@gmail.com>,
	rms@gnu.org, sdl.web@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Scratch buffer annoyance
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 20:55:28 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <86sl7mrhb3.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070717184254.37CE2300A2@Psilocybe.Update.UU.SE> (Alfred M. Szmidt's message of "Tue\, 17 Jul 2007 20\:42\:54 +0200 \(CEST\)")

"Alfred M. Szmidt" <ams@gnu.org> writes:

[...]

> That would be documented in the splash screen.  Right now when a new
> user does anything (click the mouse, hit a key) when emacs starts up,
> the splash screen vanishes and you get the unwelcoming text of the
> scratch buffer.  Using C-c C-q to make the scratch buffer writable is
> not required to use emacs; it is there for those who wish to have a
> scratch buffer.

For what it's worth: I think I would like this sort of setup very
much.  It is quite convenient.  However, there is no real logic in
replacing the buffer contents when the buffer is turned r/w, and it
does not address the original problem, namely that people seem to
blindly type into an editor they have started without any options and
complain when their work gets lost in this manner.

Now I personally don't want an "unnamed buffer" for starting stuff,
not least of all because it won't be in a suitable mode for doing so.

If the original splash screen persists read-only, however, it will
beep at any attempt of modifying it, so chances are people will read
what they should do.  If the splash screen offers "open or visit a new
file before starting to type", perhaps it will not be all bad.  And
maybe people will do it.

Sure, it means changing habits, but without a file extension to go by,
Emacs has no useful defaults for a file, anyway.

-- 
David Kastrup

  reply	other threads:[~2007-07-17 18:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 218+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-07-06  0:06 Scratch buffer annoyance Chong Yidong
2007-07-06  4:12 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-07-15 21:37 ` Leo
2007-07-15 22:19   ` David Reitter
2007-07-15 22:42     ` Zhang Wei
2007-07-15 22:52     ` Juri Linkov
2007-07-16 15:49     ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-15 22:24   ` Karl Fogel
2007-07-16 20:32     ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2007-07-17 15:05       ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-17 15:28         ` David Reitter
2007-07-17 15:50           ` Tassilo Horn
2007-07-17 16:00             ` Johan Bockgård
2007-07-17 16:04             ` David Reitter
2007-07-17 16:57               ` Tassilo Horn
2007-07-17 19:37                 ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-07-17 22:15                   ` David Reitter
2007-07-18 14:11                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-18 15:53                     ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-07-17 18:42             ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2007-07-17 19:50               ` Tassilo Horn
2007-07-17 20:01                 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2007-07-17 16:02           ` David Kastrup
2007-07-17 16:10             ` David Reitter
2007-07-18 20:53             ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-18 21:28               ` David Kastrup
2007-07-19 21:20                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-17 18:42           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2007-07-17 18:55             ` David Kastrup [this message]
2007-07-17 20:31               ` Mathias Dahl
2007-07-17 21:56               ` Jason Rumney
2007-07-18  0:35                 ` Johan Bockgård
2007-07-17 19:59             ` Tassilo Horn
2007-07-17 20:28               ` Andreas Schwab
2007-07-18  9:22                 ` Jan Djärv
2007-07-18 10:23                   ` Tassilo Horn
2007-07-18 10:56                     ` Jan Djärv
2007-07-18 20:53               ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-18 20:53             ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-18 14:11           ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-17 16:36         ` Chong Yidong
2007-07-18 20:53           ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-17 17:48         ` Drew Adams
2007-07-18 20:29           ` Juri Linkov
2007-07-19  0:00             ` Drew Adams
2007-07-19 14:25             ` Mathias Dahl
2007-07-19 14:45               ` David Kastrup
2007-07-19 15:44               ` Peter Lee
2007-07-20 13:42                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-20 21:01                   ` Drew Adams
2007-07-21  8:54                     ` Mathias Dahl
2007-07-21  9:35                       ` David Kastrup
2007-07-21  9:48                         ` David Kastrup
2007-07-21 15:14                           ` Drew Adams
2007-07-21 15:46                             ` David Kastrup
2007-07-22 10:05                               ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-22 10:40                                 ` David Kastrup
2007-07-23  4:29                                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-22  1:49                             ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-22 13:26                               ` Drew Adams
2007-07-23  4:28                                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-21 18:07                   ` Juri Linkov
2007-07-23  4:28                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-23 21:45                       ` Juri Linkov
2007-07-24 16:45                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-25  0:12                           ` Juri Linkov
2007-07-25  5:24                             ` David Kastrup
2007-07-27 21:20                               ` Juri Linkov
2007-07-27 21:16                             ` Juri Linkov
2007-07-29  2:23                               ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-29  9:18                                 ` Juri Linkov
2007-07-29  9:46                                   ` David Kastrup
2007-07-29 14:28                                     ` Drew Adams
2007-07-30 16:44                                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-31  8:51                                   ` Miles Bader
2007-07-31 13:09                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2007-07-31 14:29                                       ` David Kastrup
2007-07-31 20:22                                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-08-01  4:34                                       ` Miles Bader
2007-08-01  4:35                                       ` Miles Bader
2007-08-01  5:14                                       ` Drew Adams
2007-08-01  5:55                                         ` David Kastrup
2007-08-01  6:18                                           ` Drew Adams
2007-08-01  7:46                                             ` David Kastrup
2007-08-01 14:32                                               ` Drew Adams
2007-08-01  8:34                                         ` Jason Rumney
2007-08-01 14:32                                           ` Drew Adams
2007-08-01 15:41                                             ` Andreas Schwab
2007-08-01 16:53                                               ` Drew Adams
2007-08-01 17:19                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-08-01 17:54                                                   ` Drew Adams
2007-07-31  8:54                                   ` Miles Bader
2007-07-31 13:09                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2007-07-31 14:29                                   ` Andreas Schwab
2007-07-31 14:42                                     ` David Kastrup
2007-08-01 16:45                                       ` Juri Linkov
2007-08-01 17:05                                         ` Drew Adams
2007-08-01 18:09                                           ` David Kastrup
2007-08-01 18:29                                             ` Drew Adams
2007-08-01 19:43                                               ` David Kastrup
2007-08-01 19:54                                                 ` Davis Herring
2007-08-01 21:09                                                   ` David Kastrup
2007-08-01 23:15                                                     ` Miles Bader
2007-08-01 23:21                                                       ` Davis Herring
2007-08-02  0:45                                                         ` Miles Bader
2007-08-02 23:42                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2007-08-03 18:16                                                         ` Juri Linkov
2007-08-03 22:02                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2007-08-04  7:02                                                             ` David Kastrup
2007-08-05  3:05                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2007-08-05  6:57                                                                 ` David Kastrup
2007-08-05 20:54                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-08-05 16:59                                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2007-08-06 14:19                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-08-06 14:35                                                                     ` David Kastrup
2007-08-07  1:22                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2007-08-07  6:13                                                                         ` David Kastrup
2007-08-07 20:11                                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2007-08-07 20:57                                                                             ` David Kastrup
2007-08-09  0:07                                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2007-08-09 19:54                                                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2007-08-09 22:24                                                                                   ` Andreas Schwab
2007-08-11  5:05                                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-08-19 23:16                                                                                     ` buffer-auto-mode-alist (was: Scratch buffer annoyance) Juri Linkov
2007-08-20 18:31                                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2007-08-08 22:59                                                                     ` Scratch buffer annoyance Juri Linkov
2007-08-08 23:53                                                                       ` David Kastrup
2007-08-09 19:47                                                                         ` Juri Linkov
2007-08-09 20:09                                                                           ` David Kastrup
2007-08-11  5:05                                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2007-08-12 20:45                                                                             ` Juri Linkov
2007-08-12 23:20                                                                               ` Johan Bockgård
2007-08-13  5:00                                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2007-08-13  5:57                                                                                 ` David Kastrup
2007-08-14  0:28                                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-08-15 23:32                                                                                     ` Juri Linkov
2007-08-16  0:59                                                                                       ` Glenn Morris
2007-08-16 20:11                                                                                         ` Juri Linkov
2007-08-17  4:50                                                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2007-08-17 22:35                                                                                             ` Juri Linkov
2007-08-19  0:44                                                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2007-08-19 14:45                                                                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2007-08-19 22:30                                                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-08-17 23:32                                                                                             ` Glenn Morris
2007-08-19 14:50                                                                                               ` Juri Linkov
2007-08-19 22:30                                                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-08-19 23:21                                                                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2007-08-20 18:31                                                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-08-20 23:28                                                                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2007-08-21  9:07                                                                                                         ` Mathias Dahl
2007-08-21 23:23                                                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-08-23  0:14                                                                                                           ` Juri Linkov
2007-08-23 20:58                                                                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2007-08-25 14:28                                                                                                               ` Juri Linkov
2007-08-25 17:06                                                                                                                 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2007-08-25 19:44                                                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-08-25 19:53                                                                                                                   ` David Kastrup
2007-08-25 20:38                                                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2007-08-25 23:33                                                                                                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-08-26  5:33                                                                                                                       ` David Kastrup
2007-08-26 14:56                                                                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-08-26 23:45                                                                                                                   ` Juri Linkov
     [not found]                                                                                                                     ` <E1IPj9w-0003bw-4e@fencepost.gnu.org>
2007-09-02 21:01                                                                                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-03 18:25                                                                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-03 23:46                                                                                                                           ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-04 16:45                                                                                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-04 22:57                                                                                                                               ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-05 20:02                                                                                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-06 14:54                                                                                                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-07  6:32                                                                                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-07  8:57                                                                                                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-08  7:00                                                                                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-07  6:32                                                                                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-07  8:55                                                                                                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-08  7:00                                                                                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-07  6:32                                                                                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-07  8:56                                                                                                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-07 17:56                                                                                                                                         ` Glenn Morris
2007-09-07 22:54                                                                                                                                           ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-08 19:47                                                                                                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-09 12:35                                                                                                                                               ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-09 20:06                                                                                                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-07  6:32                                                                                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-09 12:36                                                                                                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-09 20:06                                                                                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-07  6:32                                                                                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-08-19 15:30                                                                                               ` Mathias Dahl
2007-08-19 17:48                                                                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2007-08-20 15:17                                                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-08-19 22:30                                                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-08-19 23:21                                                                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2007-08-20 18:31                                                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-08-20 23:29                                                                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2007-08-20  2:29                                                                                                   ` Glenn Morris
2007-08-20  8:13                                                                                                     ` Mathias Dahl
2007-08-20 18:30                                                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-08-20 23:28                                                                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2007-08-21 23:23                                                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-08-16  2:42                                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2007-08-16 20:12                                                                                         ` Juri Linkov
2007-08-17  4:50                                                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2007-08-19 14:55                                                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2007-08-19 22:30                                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-08-13 23:30                                                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2007-08-02 15:09                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2007-08-02 23:42                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-19 18:28             ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2007-07-21 17:13             ` Dieter Wilhelm
2007-07-21 18:12               ` Juri Linkov
2007-07-21 18:52                 ` Drew Adams
2007-07-21 19:24                   ` David Kastrup
2007-07-22 18:37                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-22 19:09                       ` David Kastrup
2007-07-22 21:43                         ` Juri Linkov
2007-07-23 18:07                           ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-22 19:41                   ` Drew Adams
2007-07-22 19:58                     ` David Kastrup
2007-07-18 20:53           ` Richard Stallman

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