From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default [Re: CUA-mode features and documenation] Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 10:48:13 +0100 Message-ID: <86skzpz38i.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> References: <200802131623.m1DGNrls003614@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <87odakwl2r.fsf@jurta.org> <87myq4saw1.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <878x1ov227.fsf@jurta.org> <878x1os6mt.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <47B39231.8010108@gmail.com> <200802151711.m1FHB3Y3008798@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200802171658.m1HGwQ4h011067@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <20080219085231.GA1032@muc.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1203414607 616 80.91.229.12 (19 Feb 2008 09:50:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 09:50:07 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, lennart.borgman@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, juri@jurta.org, Dan Nicolaescu , storm@cua.dk, miles@gnu.org To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 19 10:50:29 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JRP78-00017W-NR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2008 10:50:15 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JRP6d-00051D-UX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2008 04:49:44 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JRP5F-000447-QN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2008 04:48:17 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JRP5F-000438-4S for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2008 04:48:17 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JRP5E-00042w-TA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2008 04:48:16 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.quinscape.de ([212.29.44.217]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JRP5E-0002Lq-90 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2008 04:48:16 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail-ldap/ctrl 16700 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2008 09:48:14 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (HELO lola.quinscape.zz) ([10.0.3.43]) (envelope-sender ) by ns.quinscape.de (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 19 Feb 2008 09:48:13 -0000 Original-Received: by lola.quinscape.zz (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C55118FA9E; Tue, 19 Feb 2008 10:48:13 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <20080219085231.GA1032@muc.de> (Alan Mackenzie's message of "Tue, 19 Feb 2008 08:52:31 +0000") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-AntiVirus: checked by AntiVir MailGate (version: 2.1.3-2; AVE: 7.6.0.67; VDF: 7.0.2.156; host: quinx) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:89559 Archived-At: Alan Mackenzie writes: > Hi, Dan! > > On Sun, Feb 17, 2008 at 08:58:26AM -0800, Dan Nicolaescu wrote: >> Richard Stallman writes: > >> > BTW, before the pretest for 22.1 you were trying >> > transient-mark-mode in order to enable it by default. What was >> > the result of that experiment? > >> > I could not stand Transient Mark mode by itself. However, I now >> > use it with `mark-even-if-inactive' = t, and I think that is fine. > >> OK, I have changed the default for mark-even-if-inactive to be t and >> turned on transient-mark-mode by default. > > I feel I must protest about this. Agreed. This is an abomination. I find that temporary transient mark mode is all even an Emacs beginner will really need: after all, those people will typically mark their texts with a mouse, anyway. The mouse-invoked temporary transient mark mode is _really_ _really_ important. But the general transient mark mode is a nuisance. -- David Kastrup