From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Carbon port and multi-tty Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 15:53:26 +0200 Message-ID: <86skwute3t.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> References: <87r6cf1if3.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <200805070428.m474SbH6002408@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200805070555.m475tCRi004681@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <85d4ny4ny4.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87wsm6a6p6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <868wymy07s.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <86ve1qwhtc.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <86iqxqwfnr.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1210168508 28599 80.91.229.12 (7 May 2008 13:55:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 13:55:08 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed May 07 15:55:34 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Jtk6q-0002jw-0c for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 07 May 2008 15:55:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60242 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Jtk68-0001zG-3D for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 07 May 2008 09:54:20 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jtk5N-0001mc-K9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 07 May 2008 09:53:33 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jtk5J-0001kc-Lg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 07 May 2008 09:53:33 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=60440 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Jtk5J-0001kX-IK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 07 May 2008 09:53:29 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.quinscape.de ([212.29.44.217]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Jtk5I-0003sy-VB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 07 May 2008 09:53:29 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail-ldap/ctrl 3244 invoked from network); 7 May 2008 13:53:26 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (HELO lola.quinscape.zz) ([10.0.3.43]) (envelope-sender ) by quinx.quinscape.de (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 7 May 2008 13:53:26 -0000 Original-Received: by lola.quinscape.zz (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 6CD768EE2C; Wed, 7 May 2008 15:53:26 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 07 May 2008 16:40:27 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-AntiVirus: checked by AntiVir MailGate (version: 2.1.3-2; AVE: 7.8.0.11; VDF: 7.0.4.11; host: quinx) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:96684 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: David Kastrup >> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org >> Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 12:51:36 +0200 >> >> As an example: I seem to remember that you gave the MSDOS port a >> text-mode CUA-like menu behavior and look, whereas this does not hold >> true for text-mode on other operating systems (where tmm-mode is >> almost universally despised). > > You have your history backwards: That may well be. > I'm sorry I no longer have time to port the menus to the text-mode > terminal, but we don't always control what happens in our lives. I'm > even more sorry that I cannot finish the bidi iterator for Emacs > display engine: I think it's much more important than text-mode menus. I very much agree. > Anyway, I hope this wasn't just about my personal contribution, but > about being kinder and more cooperative, even if you don't always get > the same measure in response. It certainly was not supposed to be a complaint about your personal contribution at all and I am sorry if it came across as such: we certainly have had enough in the line of "you should be doing this and that" recently. I just wanted to give sort of a hands-on example of my stance. It may not have been the best idea to pick that. -- David Kastrup