From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: answer from Zoho Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2019 04:22:31 +0200 Message-ID: <86sgsovkig.fsf@zoho.eu> References: <864l5jf8pm.fsf@zoho.eu> <20190525063147.GD31415@tuxteam.de> <86h89jdkqw.fsf_-_@zoho.eu> <20190525115453.GB12528@tuxteam.de> <86v9xvb1dh.fsf@zoho.eu> <86imtvb0nq.fsf@zoho.eu> <86ef4jasoe.fsf@zoho.eu> <20190528083958.GB31104@tuxteam.de> <86sgsz9cv3.fsf@zoho.eu> <20190528085955.GD31104@tuxteam.de> <861s0h6opz.fsf_-_@zoho.eu> <87r28gz5t3.fsf@eps142.cdf.udc.es> <86zhn441et.fsf@zoho.eu> <87muj3ysqi.fsf@eps142.cdf.udc.es> <87imtrysk8.fsf@eps142.cdf.udc.es> Reply-To: Emanuel Berg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="15138"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jun 05 04:23:02 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hYLZt-0003ls-5E for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 05 Jun 2019 04:23:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34256 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hYLZs-0005q2-1Z for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 04 Jun 2019 22:23:00 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:54151) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hYLZe-0005px-1x for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Jun 2019 22:22:47 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hYLZc-0006AW-OS for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Jun 2019 22:22:46 -0400 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=52338 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hYLZc-00067P-Hj for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Jun 2019 22:22:44 -0400 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hYLZZ-0003Sl-5p for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Jun 2019 04:22:41 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Cancel-Lock: sha1:wAX41ePFhdQD/CKb7Wq00+Nw4cA= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:120744 Archived-At: I have got another e-mail from Zoho. (BTW, how outrageous of them to first to blame Gmail, when what happens is they (Gmail) actually respect their (Zoho's) own policy, then when I point this out they insist I should change e-mail client!?!) We would like to confirm that if the emails are sent from mail.zoho.com, the emails will be delivered without any issues. Also, if you use any email clients like Outlook, macmail with the Zoho SMTP server settings, there will be no issues with the email delivery. In case, if you use such email clients with different SMTP server settings, the emails will be rejected according to the DMARC policy. This is what we tried to explain in the forum post. Kindly try sending emails only through Zoho Webmail or from an Authenticated SMTP server to avoid such inconveniences. Refer here for the server settings. To this, I replied, again hoping I got it right, since I'm no expert on a lot of things, e-mail included: Zoho Cares wrote: + We would like to confirm that if the emails + are sent from mail.zoho.com, the emails will + be delivered without any issues. Also, if you + use any email clients like Outlook, macmail + with the Zoho SMTP server settings I use Emacs Gnus. The SMTP server is set to smtp.zoho.eu with port 587 (for starttls). + there will be no issues with the email + delivery. In case, if you use such email + clients with different SMTP server settings, + the emails will be rejected according to the + DMARC policy. According to the thread [1], the reason the mails aren't delivered or end up in the spam directory, is your own policy, which is the mails should be rejected if resent, and this is what happens when they are sent to a mailing list (and possibly to a Usenet newsgroup or gateway (e.g., NNTP with Gmane)). Previously, Gmail, and others, have chosen to disregard this policy setting (in general, i.e. not just you doing it), but now they respect it - i.e., my mails, sent from you, via the list, gets rejected when they arrive at Gmail and other hosts. Consider the output of the following commands: [2 - full source] $ dig-zoho "v=DMARC1; p=reject; sp=reject; fo=0; rua=mailto:dmarc.reports.eu@zoho.eu; ruf=mailto:dmarc.reports.eu@zoho.eu" $ host-zoho _dmarc.zoho.eu descriptive text "v=DMARC1; p=reject; sp=reject; fo=0; rua=mailto:dmarc.reports.eu@zoho.eu; ruf=mailto:dmarc.reports.eu@zoho.eu" [1] http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2019-05/msg00473.html [2] https://dataswamp.org/~incal/conf/.zsh/mail -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 https://dataswamp.org/~incal