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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: "Gerd Möllmann" <gerd.moellmann@gmail.com>
Cc: yantar92@posteo.net, pipcet@protonmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org,
	eller.helmut@gmail.com
Subject: Re: MPS: User GC customizations
Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2024 16:58:14 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <86sewp8djd.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m2frspz5ff.fsf@pro2.fritz.box> (message from Gerd Möllmann on Thu, 04 Jul 2024 14:51:16 +0200)

> From: Gerd Möllmann <gerd.moellmann@gmail.com>
> Cc: Pip Cet <pipcet@protonmail.com>,  Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
>   emacs-devel@gnu.org,  eller.helmut@gmail.com
> Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2024 14:51:16 +0200
> 
> >>   igc-step-interval is a variable defined in ‘C source code’.
> >>
> >>   Its value is 0.1
> >>
> >>   How much time is MPS allowed to spend in GC when Emacs is idle.
> >>   The value is in seconds, and should be a non-negative number.  It can
> >>   be either an integer or a float.  The default value is 0 which means .
> >>   don’t do something when idle.  Negative values and values that are not numbers
> >>   are handled as if they were the default value.
> >>
> >> It's for interactive use.
> > [...]
> What this variable does is give MPS notice that the client is currently
> idle and it might be a good time to do some work.

Is that really what this variable does?  My reading of the
documentation is that it tells MPS how soon to stop GC which it
started when Emacs was idle.  IOW, it's not about _triggering_ GC,
it's about _ending_ it.  And the reason, AFAIU, is to avoid making
Emacs responses slow because MPS started GC when it detected that
Emacs is idle.

If my interpretation is wrong, then the doc string definitely needs to
be amended, but I think what you say is also in contradiction with
what MPS documentation itself says:

     ‘interval’ is the time, in seconds, the MPS is permitted to take.
     It must not be negative, but may be ‘0.0’.
[...]
     mps_arena_step() allows the client program to make use
     of idle time to do some garbage collection, for example when it is
     waiting for interactive input.  The MPS makes every effort to
     return from this function within ‘interval’ seconds, but cannot
     guarantee to do so, as it may need to call your own scanning code.
     It uses ‘multiplier’ to decide whether to commence long-duration
     operations that consume CPU (such as a full collection): it will
     only start such an operation if it is expected to be completed
     within ‘multiplier * interval’ seconds.

Did I misunderstand what this step means?



  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-07-04 13:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-07-01  9:26 MPS: Crash when switching to buffer Ihor Radchenko
2024-07-01 12:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-01 12:13   ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-07-01 12:46     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-01 14:14   ` Pip Cet
2024-07-01 14:42     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-02  0:22       ` Pip Cet
2024-07-02  4:04         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-02 11:40         ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-07-04 10:31           ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-07-04 11:48             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-04 12:02               ` MPS: User GC customizations (was: MPS: Crash when switching to buffer) Ihor Radchenko
2024-07-04 12:51                 ` MPS: User GC customizations Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-04 13:20                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-07-04 14:45                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-04 15:12                       ` Pip Cet
2024-07-04 16:07                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-04 16:38                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-07-04 17:02                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-04 17:53                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-04 18:18                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-04 18:28                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-07-04 18:32                                 ` Pip Cet
2024-07-04 18:43                                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-04 18:39                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-04 18:48                                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-07-04 13:58                   ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2024-07-04 14:30                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-04 15:43                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-04 15:48                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-04 15:52                         ` Pip Cet
2024-07-04 16:04                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-04 17:01                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-04 18:03                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-04 18:28                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-04 18:43                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-04 19:09                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-04 19:12                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-04 16:38                     ` Pip Cet
2024-07-04 17:06                       ` Gerd Möllmann

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