From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Edward O'Connor Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Change in emacsclient behavior Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 01:47:52 -0400 Organization: Church of Emacs Message-ID: <86r6lgpaev.fsf@rakim.cfhp.org> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1188798492 12174 80.91.229.12 (3 Sep 2007 05:48:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 05:48:12 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 03 07:48:11 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IS4nB-00078R-Up for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 03 Sep 2007 07:48:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IS4nA-0005w9-UV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 03 Sep 2007 01:48:08 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IS4n7-0005w4-U3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Sep 2007 01:48:06 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IS4n5-0005vg-RZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Sep 2007 01:48:04 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IS4n5-0005vd-Lp for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Sep 2007 01:48:03 -0400 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IS4n5-0008B2-7r for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Sep 2007 01:48:03 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IS4n0-0004w8-4s for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Sep 2007 07:47:58 +0200 Original-Received: from rakim.cfhp.org ([69.45.6.105]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 03 Sep 2007 07:47:58 +0200 Original-Received: from hober0 by rakim.cfhp.org with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 03 Sep 2007 07:47:58 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 26 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: rakim.cfhp.org Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAHlBMVEX47PoBAAegiLwiH1N IQYI0M4iMeKYBAAYGBBGqm9JF4g0mAAACYElEQVR4nGWTsY/aMBTGLXoLo8WQjNVrFJXxzviUbig JEcy5SNft5LhRGT3RNecUuRuiCMn/bZ+dhHDqJ2SZ7+f3nt/DEMOcqv9E9AdQTsD7fPw6hRIz+iw xxuhbMBn3SUtRofk95CTa9D49UIWiRvt4TnTiNmUbHIIDykUxdwm8lTvQUmergwoCpXR/qwojXqk 7jTEK1xANXhKOgD8eRmHggrt2CNKKtfcAU3EHkCbB5OJn4Ws40Prco6jhAyiDoSyeTrAb1gNe+dI eKNVlpvXNE5+pT6HUIjEi24a8B6XvjSrd0rCon5vCDwX7eA2wvV9bqrPWdCAFZBtfA0tQRWmRsE6 uZCMA6qYHbRDg6I5RlxVSFNCISG56QB3oIBNSRKL+JuLMg9LZlGqIUhCFlH9m8FN74GxFQwEFxKm crWYQJQ680v43TSEGEDArAWLJPVAObN8BHDghhrwcI1RYH2GSLMfiKnzWd6DGx4DvwNc41mIC0QQ WqzgXH0HV+kvVoohvIB5AaHRSyCZHyzawtOd4SBUyXR9lxOb2RB7Sz4T0AB8zY/smvWzRIrN0OQL GcsbW8zf7dY1gfsIlZm66JUsdOK3ljjjNCbnoHuxq9jQnb+TkAa6XY0XyJmf7C1uRwfbk4b0m1tr 8+zljb+ROD0+xA9f4umHP9+CTAAesjfGPWNyBvzCAc5ax/I40CFJPvkQrC/vRP+NsiC58LpGKfWH 7Ppy/JMY8ObK0AJfTRUDTz5eQxHS2VxPlG1697N0ee4qSbjeQ64bjc94Nhex1b+2N5Hn1MoJJwlp pf1Rr7/8DXitGHanPc2gAAAAASUVORK5CYII= X-Attribution: Ted Jabber-ID: hober0@gmail.com User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/22.1 (berkeley-unix) Cancel-Lock: sha1:U+Q+oVKikuKLrrUXNZd6AQ9sCfI= X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:77641 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > I think this change is a mistake: > +** Emacsclient has been extended to support opening a new terminal > +frame. Its behavior has been changed to open a new Emacs frame by > +default. Use the -c option to get the old behavior of opening files in > +the currently selected Emacs frame. > For people that normally don't make new frames, this will be a hassle. > So I think it should depend on the value of `pop-up-frames'. > Are there any arguments against testing `pop-up-frames'? To me, the main usefulness of multi-tty functionality is for when I'm remotely logging in to a machine on which I already have a long-running Emacs. For instance, on workstation A I have an Emacs running with X11 frames. I SSH into A from some other machine B, and would like to open a TTY frame within that SSH session. I think this, or situations similar to it, is the scenario envisioned by the change in emacsclient -- note the NEWS entry specifically calls out the support for "opening a new *terminal* frame." So, yes, I don't normally make new frames, but `pop-up-frames' strikes me as precisely the wrong variable to test in this scenario. Also, popping up the existing X11 frame does no good in this case.