From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:26:45 +0100 Message-ID: <86r6f6qnqy.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> References: <87myq4saw1.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <200802171658.m1HGwQ4h011067@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <20080219085231.GA1032@muc.de> <200802190938.m1J9ccVg016565@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <20080219190127.GA1106@muc.de> <877ih0o9dx.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <86lk5f4fjb.fsf@timbral.net> <87ejb7babz.fsf@xmission.com> <85lk5fcod6.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87ablvb4om.fsf@xmission.com> <85lk5fb3ym.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <8763wjb0nk.fsf@xmission.com> <864pc2tyw0.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <86zltuqsmn.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1203611229 2399 80.91.229.12 (21 Feb 2008 16:27:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:27:09 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Evans Winner , Jason Earl , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Feb 21 17:27:34 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JSEGc-0003GR-23 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:27:26 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JSEG6-0005KP-MO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:26:54 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JSEG2-0005IJ-6Y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:26:50 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JSEFz-0005En-Gh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:26:49 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JSEFz-0005ER-AY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:26:47 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.quinscape.de ([212.29.44.217]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JSEFy-0001Vs-PJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:26:47 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail-ldap/ctrl 18859 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2008 16:26:45 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (HELO lola.quinscape.zz) ([10.0.3.43]) (envelope-sender ) by ns.quinscape.de (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 21 Feb 2008 16:26:44 -0000 Original-Received: by lola.quinscape.zz (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 554608FA9A; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:26:44 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:13:00 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-AntiVirus: checked by AntiVir MailGate (version: 2.1.3-2; AVE: 7.6.0.67; VDF: 7.0.2.174; host: quinx) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:89838 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: >>>> I am suggesting that having a usable mark should not imply an active >>>> region. But that is more or less the premise of transient-mark-mode. >>> I don't understand in what way TMM requires or enforces that "a usable >>> mark implies an active region". >> It may be mitigated with mark-even-if-inactive, but that is rather >> recent development. > > Well, everyone is entitled to his/her own interpretation of "recent", but > > 1993-06-30 Richard Stallman (rms@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu) > > * simple.el (mark-even-if-inactive): New variable. > > that's around the same time transient-mark-mode sows up in the ChangeLog > files, so I presume it was introduced at the same time (I know > I discovered/enabled it "soon" after enabling TMM, but that "soon" may > span a year or two). I stand corrected. How many people using transient-mark-mode regularly also set mark-even-if-inactive? >>>> (and temporary transient-mark mode is really a life saver: >>> Thank you ;-) > >> The thanks are on my side. It was somewhat of a nuisance not to be able >> to use active-region commands, but the price of regular tmm-mode was >> simply too high. > > What do you think of making C-M-SPC (and a few other such mark-* > commands) turn on temp-TMM? Sounds sensible to me for this one. I think that things like delete-selection-mode should _not_ switch on permanent transient-mark-mode, by the way: they would appear also useful with temporary transient-mark-mode, and it is a pity that one can't use them with it. -- David Kastrup