From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: What does 'run' do in cperl-mode? Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:33:43 -0500 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <86r69c69q0.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <0ded5ecd-f5f6-4a8e-9d19-f61bf0401022@v39g2000pro.googlegroups.com> <86hcad9ar4.fsf@lifelogs.com> <0bb45e96-f9f3-4451-a457-004bb5930c76@p10g2000prf.googlegroups.com> <86wsj66sby.fsf@lifelogs.com> <6a01ec87-795c-4306-a698-d6d6ba85afdd@n33g2000pri.googlegroups.com> <86bq0h7pdx.fsf@lifelogs.com> <863alt7l16.fsf@lifelogs.com> <9ccba556-24b3-45d3-b274-df2fe548c868@q5g2000prf.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1217342591 29154 80.91.229.12 (29 Jul 2008 14:43:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:43:11 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 29 16:44:01 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KNqQD-00013t-8P for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:43:29 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55749 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KNqPJ-0004c4-2f for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:42:33 -0400 Original-Path: news.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!goblin1!goblin.stu.neva.ru!news.schnuerpel.net!news.albasani.net!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 59 Original-X-Trace: news.albasani.net t0pTGpIePcQ4LKjVX7GH4OjPHtEAJ3xAD8fC53rfFT0N/9eWEsRhUPubHcoQa/zTX8JR7PYBd60twxoUrxOlUDSTeQfrakwdh7SBTD7FG/jCbA/SXl95yblUdSIXlM44 Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@albasani.net Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:29:04 +0000 (UTC) X-User-ID: fJDh8X4olKuVkrXVF83VEkmFOYWLoihHMQQPx5JHICQ= X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Cancel-Lock: sha1:NRerJKkQqKJq7O9CWOUbuz/IaVE= sha1:YaSnEOz/oWto7bZ11QmQB9NUei0= User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-NNTP-Posting-Host: QtUmQvfvWWP+fR/cTAYvvDALpnsN8csXYPUH+MPqP94= Original-Xref: news.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:160681 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:56029 Archived-At: On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:09:06 -0700 (PDT) Xah Lee wrote: XL> On Jul 28, 2:31 pm, Ted Zlatanov wrote: >> If you think the cost is 4 hours of work and none to the users, I think >> you're disconnected from reality (or have no experience writing manuals, >> software, and doing user support). XL> What exactly is your reason? What exactly is your argument about my XL> paragraph? You have to give explicit reason to disagree. You cannot XL> simply say i'm disconnected from reality. That makes no sense. Maybe XL> it is obvious to you. But i sincerely don't know what you are talking XL> about. In that case I suggest you start by making your change suggestion through the proper channels, not in this newsgroup. I don't feel like explaining to you basic facts about man-hours, volunteer labor, and the hundreds of thousands of Emacs users that would deal with that change. Again, I'm not being rude, just unwilling to spend my time explaining all this when you don't appear to have any experience writing manuals, software, or doing user support. XL> And why you feel like needing to give me advice? Do you know that XL> giving unasked advice is insulting? I advise you to drop that line of reasoning. XL> Can i teach you something too? The thing i want to teach is that, if XL> you want to drop a conversation, one effective way is to start by XL> yourself. Agreed. Note I haven't discussed any technical issues with your change suggestion. I've only suggested (4-5 times now) that you should submit it through the proper channels if you want to see it happen. I'm also answering your questions. XL> What do you want? Why you telling me what to do? XL> If you want me to stop using “Alt+‹key›” in my post here, then, i'm XL> sorry, i cannot comply because you have no right. XL> If you think that my use “Alt+‹key›” is just totally wrong in the XL> context of emacs. Sorry, i disagree. XL> If you want to post a warning message everytime i used “Alt+‹key›”, so XL> that newbies understands that it is not emacs's conventional notation, XL> that's fine. Meta is the preferred notation, used in the Emacs manual and community. You should use it when participating in Emacs help forums, with a footnote about Alt. That would be most helpful to the users who have to deal with the manual and with other helpful people who will only use Meta in their messages. Feel free to use a big footnote, though, with a link to your web page and whatever else you like. I hope you'll do this. If not, you'll probably keep getting corrected and the corrections will be increasingly harsher as people are more annoyed with you. Ted