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[2001:44b8:31f2:bb00:842a:7361:87c7:2662]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x187-20020a6286c4000000b0052ac2e23295sm2480196pfd.44.2022.07.21.18.56.21 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 21 Jul 2022 18:56:23 -0700 (PDT) In-reply-to: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::62e; envelope-from=theophilusx@gmail.com; helo=mail-pl1-x62e.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:292398 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: >> Not if my reading of Reddit is correct. We definitely improved >> things, though, and quite a lot. But using a server over the network >> will never be as performant as a local solution. > > AFAIK most uses of LSP are local (no network involved). > > Yes, that has been my experience with a few different languages. The server runs locally (you could connect to a remote one if desired, but many of these servers are small and trivial to install, so just as easy to run it locally). In at least a couple of the servers I've used, all the 'server' really does is provide a consistent interface across a number of other distinct tools (linters, document lookup services, language parser, completion, etc). In the past, I would have achieved almost the identical outcome by installing all these separate tools and then configuring Emacs interfaces to them i.e. flymake/flycheck, xref, eldoc, company etc. Now I just configure lsp-mode or eglot and I'm done. Getting a reasonably 'modern' environment working with LSP has certainly been easier for me than it was previously, but I suspect a lot depends on the languages your working with and the maturity of the servers for those languages. There were definitely some issues with lsp-mode initially, but I've found it very stable and effective in recent months. I also find eglot promising, but it still seems a ways behind lsp-mode, which is not surprising given the differences in age and user numbers. I do prefer eglot because of its closer integration with Emacs (also why I'v moved away from ivy/company to vertico/embark/corfu).