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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: "João Távora" <joaotavora@gmail.com>
Cc: felician.nemeth@gmail.com, 70036@debbugs.gnu.org, theo@thornhill.no
Subject: bug#70036: a fix that
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2024 14:01:46 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <86r0f1bopx.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALDnm50V6pqeXivS8ZoOh4LBMHX7_9=68Zi1im5U36Djmf9gQQ@mail.gmail.com> (message from João Távora on Fri, 19 Apr 2024 09:27:31 +0100)

> From: João Távora <joaotavora@gmail.com>
> Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2024 09:27:31 +0100
> Cc: theo@thornhill.no, felician.nemeth@gmail.com, 70036@debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> > > I still think the cleanest solution is to write file-truename
> > > in C.
> >
> > I explained in that past discussion why this is not simple.  So if
> > simpler solutions exist, we should prefer them.
> 
> Fair enough.  Shifting complexity around is what we do.  But
> having a performant file-truename is a strategically investment, it's
> a very common filesystem primitive that users expect to be as fast
> as it can be made.  Common Lisp has TRUENAME, Python has 'realpath()',
> etc.   We could compare (here benchmarks are definitely the best
> method)

file-truename does much more than just the equivalent of realpath.  If
all we needed was a single call to realpath, we'd done that in C long
ago.

The problem with rewriting file-truename in C is that we must be 110%
compatible to what the Lisp implementation does, since it's such a
low-level API that is used so widely.

> > find-buffer-visiting was made much faster lately, but that speedup
> > AFAIR shows up only if the session has a lot of buffers, so trying
> > these benchmarks in "emacs -Q" will not typically show the effect, and
> > could even obscure the file-truename effect as well, because the
> > number of calls to file-truename will be much smaller.
> 
> I'm not sure what test you are suggesting.  If f-b-v performs _better_
> in "lots of buffers" situation, then we should measure Eglot's performance
> in the plausible _worse_ case of few buffers, no?

No, IMO we should try it in both "emacs -Q" and in a session with a
lot of buffers, to have the performance in its true relevant context.
Most real-life Emacs sessions have many more buffers than we have in
"emacs -Q".  Worst-case testing is not always TRT, because it can skew
the perspective and lead to wrong decisions.

> > But if calling
> > find-buffer-visiting from Eglot can be avoided, that is of course even
> > better.
> 
> Yes, that's what my latest patch does.  But ideally it would be cleaner
> (IMHO) to have a fast usable find-buffer-visiting by speeding
> up its underlying file-truename.

We did that at least to some extent in the improvements submitted by
Ihor and now available on master.  From where I stand, we now have a
reasonably performant implementation of find-buffer-visiting; I would
need benchmarks showing otherwise to change my mind.





  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-04-19 11:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-03-27 19:08 bug#70036: 30.0.50; Move file-truename to the C level Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-27 19:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-03-27 21:56   ` Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-28  1:14     ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-28  3:05       ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-28  7:04         ` Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-28  7:03       ` Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-28  6:22     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-03-28  7:03       ` Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-27 20:12 ` Felician Nemeth
2024-03-27 21:43   ` Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-28  6:03     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-03-28  7:10       ` Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-28  8:52         ` Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-28 11:55         ` Felician Nemeth
2024-03-28 12:08           ` Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-30  9:46             ` Felician Nemeth
2024-03-30 11:18               ` Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-30 12:45               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-03-31 12:57                 ` Felician Nemeth
2024-03-31 13:32                   ` Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-28  9:22 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-03-28 10:59   ` Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-28 11:18     ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-03-28 11:41       ` Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-28 11:51         ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-03-28 12:47           ` Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-28 13:52           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-04-18 15:32 ` bug#70036: a fix that João Távora
2024-04-18 15:39   ` João Távora
2024-04-18 15:40   ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-04-18 15:45     ` João Távora
2024-04-18 15:49   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-04-18 16:11     ` Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-04-18 16:15       ` João Távora
2024-04-18 16:29         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-04-18 17:22           ` João Távora
2024-04-18 17:53             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-04-18 20:21               ` João Távora
     [not found]                 ` <874jbycrd7.fsf@dick>
2024-04-18 21:26                   ` João Távora
2024-04-18 21:37                     ` João Távora
2024-04-19  9:17                       ` Michael Albinus via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-04-18 21:32                 ` Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-04-18 22:06                   ` João Távora
2024-04-18 23:59                     ` João Távora
2024-04-19  6:09                       ` Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-04-19  6:26                         ` Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-04-19  8:06                           ` João Távora
2024-04-19  9:05                             ` Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-04-19  8:01                         ` João Távora
2024-04-19  9:10                           ` Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-04-19  9:22                             ` João Távora
2024-04-19  5:58                     ` Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-04-19  7:52                       ` João Távora
2024-04-19  9:14                         ` Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-04-19  6:56                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-04-19  7:51                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-04-19 10:51                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-04-30 11:30                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-05-02  9:40                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-04-19  8:27                       ` João Távora
2024-04-19  8:49                         ` João Távora
2024-04-19 11:12                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-04-19 11:34                             ` João Távora
2024-04-19 18:13                               ` Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-04-19 18:59                                 ` João Távora
2024-04-19 19:42                                   ` Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-04-19 11:01                         ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2024-04-19 11:32                           ` Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-04-19 11:40                             ` João Távora
2024-04-19 11:47                               ` Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-04-19 11:51                                 ` Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-04-19 12:01                                   ` João Távora
2024-04-19 11:51                                 ` João Távora
2024-04-19 20:23                               ` Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-04-19 21:32                                 ` João Távora
2024-04-19 11:53                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-04-19 11:59                               ` Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-04-19 12:03                               ` João Távora
2024-04-19 12:00                           ` João Távora
2024-04-19 12:13                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-04-19 12:20                               ` João Távora
2024-04-19  6:45                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-04-19  7:38                     ` Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-04-19 12:54                     ` João Távora
2024-04-19 14:32                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-04-19  0:57                 ` Yuan Fu
2024-04-19  1:20                   ` João Távora
2024-04-22 22:11                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-04-18 16:21       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-04-18 16:12     ` João Távora
2024-04-18 16:24       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-04-18 16:33         ` Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-04-18 16:36           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-04-18 17:26           ` João Távora
2024-04-18 17:27         ` João Távora

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