From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: master bf0aeaa0d7a: Re-enable displaying `han' characters on Android Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2024 12:56:36 +0300 Message-ID: <86r0b8woq3.fsf@gnu.org> References: <86h6c5y39e.fsf@gnu.org> <87plqtf6m0.fsf@yahoo.com> <87le1hf5ed.fsf@yahoo.com> <8634noyelp.fsf@gnu.org> <877cd0smm8.fsf@yahoo.com> <86v80kwrpj.fsf@gnu.org> <87sevor2ut.fsf@yahoo.com> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="17167"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Po Lu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Aug 01 11:57:28 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sZSYq-0004IJ-Fu for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 01 Aug 2024 11:57:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sZSY7-0006P1-QF; Thu, 01 Aug 2024 05:56:43 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sZSY5-0006Oo-0X for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Aug 2024 05:56:41 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sZSY4-0004vu-JM; Thu, 01 Aug 2024 05:56:40 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=MgawogxyUIkmQrzhh8UJ9Lf/oIrnyQitG3wb3TkzH4s=; b=ppfAxOooHP/i y4WmPyr/xsBNCveqZ2031Q/vmmM1obkP1dmxKduEJOfMiidPpZTuxDvwvX22QdOMgJBqmAlRsa4JB Emv39lJCuX5CxMXIYMD3MeFYxRrDNdXZqKJdOg0CG0E92Z9juMmZ0dAKY2EeEGTpwVsLy5HgENL2y Y25Xu3Vm7FfUKYDGsJSt2lNChBZosjmJ0h/F8b2M5JIt2qkvyt2YUDNVz4ZH0GM+jHb3bjL6iTfuK HIKsLkgkUidcAk9EpaJ0sP11lM3pvLbd84am8oEek1KXBkdmTsWpvleoKah+/yU1dTxRBqR2apyFM 1y91VrZrp8BLWoQJnYB8fQ==; In-Reply-To: <87sevor2ut.fsf@yahoo.com> (message from Po Lu on Thu, 01 Aug 2024 17:47:54 +0800) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:322261 Archived-At: > From: Po Lu > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2024 17:47:54 +0800 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > But users can add a font spec for 'han' to the fontset, cannot they? > > And if they do, then the representative characters _are_ important, > > aren't they? So I don't think we should remove those characters. > > Such an action would be pointless, as the fontset would not match any > CJK font actually in existence, and it would break the Android build to > boot. Then Android users should not do that. But users of other systems could, and we should not prevent them from doing so. > If anyone seriously considers non-existent characters important > enough to construct a font spec that matches them, he can easily amend > script-representative-chars for himself or define another script. If > these pages are opened, for example: > > https://www.compart.com/en/unicode/U+20000 > https://www.compart.com/en/unicode/U+2a700 > https://www.compart.com/en/unicode/U+2b740 > https://www.compart.com/en/unicode/U+2b820 > https://www.compart.com/en/unicode/U+2ceb0 > > in Mozilla (not to mention Emacs) on my GNU/Linux system or on Android, > tofu is displayed, and there can hardly be said to exist an OS system > that is better internationalized out of the box than is Android. The > remaining characters: > > https://www.compart.com/en/unicode/U+2f804 > https://www.compart.com/en/unicode/U+1f210 > > are displayed correctly, but are barely attested or expected to be > present by CJK users in practice, and U+1F210 is arguably rather a > symbol than a proper character. On my Windows 11 system, I see all of them, and I didn't install any additional fonts for CJK. So your assertion is simply not true. Maybe your GNU/Linux system is outdated, or maybe GNU/Linux users with CJK interests are supposed to install optional packages that you don't have installed.