From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#72961: Possible documentation improvement: Clarification for package installation Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2024 15:03:42 +0300 Message-ID: <86r0a28dpd.fsf@gnu.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="38600"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 72961@debbugs.gnu.org To: Krystian Samp , Philip Kaludercic Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 02 14:04:41 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sl5nV-0009q8-8Y for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 02 Sep 2024 14:04:41 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sl5mw-0002fC-4V; Mon, 02 Sep 2024 08:04:06 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sl5mt-0002eC-DQ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Sep 2024 08:04:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:5::43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sl5mt-0004ow-3u for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Sep 2024 08:04:03 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=debbugs.gnu.org; s=debbugs-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:In-Reply-To:From:Date:To:Subject; bh=RoghBBMa/O6rchGxHDZV2E+gL2zA/EWuDv9iVUptrjg=; b=Qq0goFfNnLrpu+S7REFyLAZxIrqs2xS7RQWQSpvZz6BGt0e999bg77v3PUJAdg0e4j/7pneWpEdYdicgZSx4MIZ+jAr+I0LziKQxE+YTRsR6MPyAfWK4kjIM1o42Lwt9jI9pAFDjFeU1upAWkAnZSS2CjhOUYraaNhxsp3N1rjYB+l/Yi2C6AGEOb+153tMBLuANvW7bqjAIgn3lywm0RtXQwVpQJPIHuzTEiki80282Jz5qQt4rGEfUfexYndNjtENMwvVcAjAWzNGdrGVMVvo2fTOW2ZxMx0elETyETlrzDacM8zfH2gnwhICwR52PzNNOyXMosR+q6vs39RAzYg==; Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1sl5nr-0000Cs-Rf for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Sep 2024 08:05:03 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2024 12:05:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 72961 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 72961-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B72961.1725278693716 (code B ref 72961); Mon, 02 Sep 2024 12:05:03 +0000 Original-Received: (at 72961) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Sep 2024 12:04:53 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46960 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1sl5nh-0000BP-Fo for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 02 Sep 2024 08:04:53 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:60108) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1sl5nf-0000B6-VG for 72961@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 02 Sep 2024 08:04:52 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sl5mb-0004nJ-Br; Mon, 02 Sep 2024 08:03:45 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=RoghBBMa/O6rchGxHDZV2E+gL2zA/EWuDv9iVUptrjg=; b=Ccyo5Iw/GhKtJuaUFIEW yJOW/CuD6xz+KKG3noqNMK6cbkR+OBLgj51kvOEaoLyhW+V2+3cYx0X254iouF+xycDZpOb+fdgLD LVj1vIsZYgllLkEurnQf013k376uTNPMj03oPVI+0pmdeAMtLXQ1E4Nx29dOBuSH7OOiY7Nn6RJN1 86AvjZo5ghzeNOlRjaPs24NLvIjuROqn6er3dmp5+iYP7TsnbvR3rZiMw3yW8WrTQYyiZBs5dYr60 mJfzBZdGROH44go4hKOK3riTWISVo0XQu+6zXrqDX1IoD9vcbkE3obTMax0rNJh3Ci5oNUra+DPVS DRr+HgI3O1YHlg==; In-Reply-To: (message from Krystian Samp on Mon, 2 Sep 2024 12:41:11 +0200) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:291098 Archived-At: > From: Krystian Samp > Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2024 12:41:11 +0200 > > I was reading the section on "Libraries of Lisp Code for Emacs" (section 28.8) in the Emacs manual, and I > encountered a passage that seems a bit unclear. The text suggests that when using package-install, Emacs > might automatically add initialization code to the init.el file, which doesn’t seem to match my experience. > > Specifically, the manual states: "Installing a package using package-install takes care of placing the package’s > Lisp files in a directory where Emacs will find it, and also writes the necessary initialization code into your init > files [...]" > > From my understanding, package-install does not modify init.el directly, which is how I interpret the > documentation above. Instead, Emacs calls package-initialize which makes the installed packages available, > automatically. > > I want to check if this is a valid concern / interpretation that warrants a documentation change. If so, I'll be > happy to create a patch. Is package-quickstart.el considered "init file" or not? And I add Philip to this discussion, as he knows the package.el code better than I do.