From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
Cc: eller.helmut@gmail.com, gerd.moellmann@gmail.com,
pipcet@protonmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Some experience with the igc branch
Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2024 21:20:53 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <86r05qpa7e.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <108c9575-f07b-41af-9626-3622d16e4cf5@cs.ucla.edu> (message from Paul Eggert on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 11:09:47 -0800)
> Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2024 11:09:47 -0800
> Cc: eller.helmut@gmail.com, gerd.moellmann@gmail.com, pipcet@protonmail.com,
> emacs-devel@gnu.org
> From: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
>
> On 12/28/24 21:47, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > Yes, that's the purpose of the global lock: a Lisp thread can only run
> > if it acquires the lock.
>
> OS signals are therefore ignored if a non-main Lisp thread is buggy and
> holds that global lock indefinitely. I assume this is the expected
> fallout from such a bug.
"Ignored" in what sense? AFAIU, we've just established that a signal
delivered to the main thread will cause the signal handler to run, and
after the handler returns, the main thread will return to waiting for
the lock. Is that what you mean by "ignored"? If so, why is this
"ignoring"?
And yes, if a non-main thread's Lisp function keeps running forever,
never calling any primitives that release the lock, that thread will
run forever, and the main thread will never get a chance. Lisp
programs that cause this are considered buggy, of course.
> I don't see this issue documented explicitly in doc/elisp/threads.texi.
> Should it be?
I will have an opinion when I better understand what "it" is in this
case. I hope this is just a misunderstanding.
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2024-12-22 15:40 Some experience with the igc branch Óscar Fuentes
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2024-12-22 19:11 ` Óscar Fuentes
2024-12-23 0:05 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-23 1:00 ` Óscar Fuentes
2024-12-24 22:34 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-25 4:25 ` Freezing frame with igc Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-25 11:19 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-25 11:55 ` Óscar Fuentes
2024-12-23 3:42 ` Some experience with the igc branch Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-23 6:27 ` Jean Louis
2024-12-22 20:29 ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-22 20:50 ` Gerd Möllmann
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2024-12-23 15:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-23 13:35 ` Some experience with the igc branch Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-23 14:03 ` Discussion with MPS people Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-23 14:04 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-23 15:07 ` Some experience with the igc branch Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-23 15:26 ` Gerd Möllmann
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2024-12-23 16:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-23 17:16 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-23 18:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-23 18:48 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-23 19:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-23 20:30 ` Benjamin Riefenstahl
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2024-12-24 12:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2024-12-24 13:42 ` Benjamin Riefenstahl
2024-12-24 3:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-24 8:48 ` Benjamin Riefenstahl
2024-12-24 13:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-24 13:54 ` Benjamin Riefenstahl
2024-12-23 17:44 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-23 19:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2024-12-24 4:05 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-24 8:50 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-24 6:03 ` SIGPROF + SIGCHLD and igc Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-24 8:23 ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-24 8:39 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-25 9:22 ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-25 9:43 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-24 13:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-25 10:46 ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-25 12:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-24 12:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-24 12:59 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-27 8:08 ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-27 8:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-27 14:53 ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-27 15:09 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-27 15:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-29 18:50 ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-29 19:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-29 19:34 ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-29 20:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-29 20:50 ` Helmut Eller
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2024-12-28 13:52 ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-28 14:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2024-12-28 17:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
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