From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Chris Ball Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Why Emacs needs a modern bug tracker Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 14:58:13 -0500 Message-ID: <86prwg9h9m.fsf@pullcord.laptop.org> References: <20080104164454.0A4BD830697@snark.thyrsus.com> <20080104232514.GB2735@muc.de> <20080105052007.GA27075@thyrsus.com> <20080105111720.GA3014@muc.de> <20080105145743.GH30869@thyrsus.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1199564556 27196 80.91.229.12 (5 Jan 2008 20:22:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 20:22:36 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Alan Mackenzie , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Eric S. Raymond" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 05 21:22:56 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JBFXj-00041c-Hn for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 21:22:55 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JBFXM-0002hg-TZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 15:22:32 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JBF7e-0008In-CS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 14:55:58 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JBF7c-0008Ib-0X for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 14:55:57 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JBF7b-0008IY-Ro for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 14:55:55 -0500 Original-Received: from void.printf.net ([89.145.97.157]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JBF7b-0003yU-Fb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 14:55:55 -0500 Original-Received: from pullcord.laptop.org ([18.85.46.20]) by void.printf.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JBF7Z-0005pt-5L; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 19:55:53 +0000 In-Reply-To: <20080105145743.GH30869@thyrsus.com> (Eric S. Raymond's message of "Sat, 5 Jan 2008 09:57:43 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 15:22:27 -0500 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:86227 Archived-At: Hi, >> I wasn't very clear, there. Of course users need web forms, and >> they will manipulate the database directly. But why can't we have >> VCS updating, too? This will allow RMS and others to work >> offline, a very desirable thing. > A VCS-based solution would be more complicated than > necessary. Easier just to write a w3m-based client that pulls a > copy of the entire bug database out of the tracker. Just for the record, DVCS-based bug databases *do* exist, and allow the offline working we're looking for while also allowing a user-friendly web-based interface. The two interfaces can exist without friction -- it's a distributed VCS, and the web interface becomes just one more repository performing push and pull operations on the master database. One such bugtracker is "Bugs Everywhere": http://www.panoramicfeedback.com/opensource/index.html I think it's appealing to have a checkout of the bug database available alongside a source code checkout. Bugs Everywhere is not finished yet, but can use many different VCS backends including arch, bzr and hg. I have a small patch to add GIT support to it, too. http://dev.laptop.org/~cjb/libbe-git.patch It's great to see a discussion about workflow improvements happening here. I'd like to help if I can. - Chris. -- Chris Ball