From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Gmane up again Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2019 00:07:22 +0100 Message-ID: <86pns47byt.fsf@zoho.eu> References: <8736p097fn.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="10871"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Feb 07 00:09:00 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1grWJP-0002fr-PR for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 07 Feb 2019 00:08:59 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59705 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1grWJO-0007KJ-I8 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2019 18:08:58 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:46341) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1grWIM-0007Jv-8V for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2019 18:07:55 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1grWIA-0004Fk-EW for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2019 18:07:44 -0500 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=56870 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1grWI8-0004DE-H6 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2019 18:07:41 -0500 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1grWHz-0000gL-QE for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Feb 2019 00:07:31 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Cancel-Lock: sha1:9Sev6k5eORnO3gkOH62+KOPCAMw= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:119237 Archived-At: BTW, since I started using gmane.emacs.help again, and not gnu.emacs.help, I have only kept one of my two eyes at what's going on there, but it seems like there is no gateway business going on anymore? For example, has anyone seen the message with the subject "printing to Canon's imageCLASS D480 from emacs on Window 10" which just turned up in the newsgroup? Did you mailing list guys get that? The only thing I can think of, if the gateway is indeed operational, is that Gnus deletes the messages locally for me, as they are duplicates in a manner of speaking. I recall something like that or some option to that end, but it is vague. And it seems unlikely because the Gmane newsgroup is from news.gmane.org, and gnu.emacs.help is from nntp.aioe.org. Earlier, I think I saw duplicates of the traffic all the time? And if I didn't, how could I have participated in discussions using gnu.emacs.help? Perhaps there is no real need to save the newsgroup since the Usenet ship is really sinking and has been for ages, but one can't help but feel sorry for the guys who post their problems there, and likely would get help, if only they did so on the mailing list or Gmane newsgroup instead. Also, I still don't know what program the supposed gateway is, where it is located, who operates it, and so on. Obviously it would be totally up to them if they felt the effort still worthwhile. Another option could be to contact the Usenet guys (here, nntp.aioe.org) and ask them to remove gnu.emacs.help, which perhaps would reduce confusion and have most of the guys asking there instead come here. -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573