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AFter that and a bit of exploring, I should have a better >> understanding and idea how to go forward. > > Hi Tim, > > May I know if you got a chance to continue working on this? > Let us know if you need any help from us. Hi Ihor, sorry, no real progress. I did get a working local copy and started looking into what needed to be done to improve things. Unfortunately, the more I understood, the more it became obvious that simple tweaking was unlikely to consistently improve the situation. Each little improvement I made just caused or exposed other issues and it quickly spiralled down. Unfortunately, other commitments then took over and I've been too busy to focus on org stuff for some months now. Even participation in the ML has been challenging. A significant re-design of the worg styling is required in order to get a presentation which both looks good and which works with respect to accessibility requirements. I don't believe the current styles are workable. Someone with greater CSS fu than me might do better, but from what I could tell, the basic underlying premise for the existing styles is flawed. I suspect it would be possible to 'fix' things, but it would be a major style re-working. I would still like to get back to this, but right now, don't know where things are likely to be in the short term. There are some job related things which will be eitehr completed or stepped up to the next stage by mid Feb and I may have a clearer picture by then. For now though, I have limited resources to dedicate to org.