From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>
Cc: 75306@debbugs.gnu.org, michael.albinus@gmx.de
Subject: bug#75306: 31.0.50; Make `small-temporary-file-directory` variable obsolete
Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2025 13:46:52 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <86pll4glw3.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CADwFkmkVQoTvj4i=3F=WuYvDsY6cCHw5WUWaa5V7fYg=MNBPGA@mail.gmail.com> (message from Stefan Kangas on Fri, 3 Jan 2025 03:15:49 -0600)
> From: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>
> Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2025 03:15:49 -0600
> Cc: 75306@debbugs.gnu.org
>
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>
> > This says nothing about MS-DOS,
>
> The docstring is one thing, but the variable _definition_ reads the same
> today as when it was first introduced (in ffc0e1caf1a6):
>
> (defvar small-temporary-file-directory
> (if (eq system-type 'ms-dos) (getenv "TMPDIR"))
>
> This makes it clear that the intention was, at least in part, to support
> MS-DOS specifically, and it has remained that over the years.
no, the _default_value_ caters to MS-DOS specifically. But that
doesn't yet mean the variable itself is for that system.
> I doubt that this micro-optimization (or whatever we should call it) is
> likely to give much bang for your buck, especially not in an age when
> users are starting to routinely throw 500 MiB or even 1 GiB at their
> tmpfs RAM disks.
Maybe so, but we had this variable for eons, and I can easily imagine
valid use cases for it even today. For example, some system whose
disks are of different speed (say, SSD and spinning disk).
> > But if some user has a good reason to customize this, why take that
> > flexibility from them? How do we justify removal of a feature which
> > could be useful to someone?
>
> Besides the Tramp use case (which is valid and deserves its own
> variable), it is used only in some very old modules: vc-rcs.el and
> cmacexp.el, in shell-command-on-region, and literally nowhere else.
Except by an unknown number of users. Why break their setup?
> I do agree that there's no compelling reason why we must remove _this
> particular piece of cruft_ specifically, but I also don't see any good
> reason to keep it.
We should only remove or obsolete existing features if we have a good
reason for that. A valid, and a very good, reason to keep a feature
is that we already have it.
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Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-01-03 3:23 bug#75306: 31.0.50; Make `small-temporary-file-directory` variable obsolete Stefan Kangas
2025-01-03 5:56 ` Michael Albinus via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-03 8:26 ` Stefan Kangas
2025-01-03 8:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-03 8:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-03 9:15 ` Stefan Kangas
2025-01-03 11:46 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2025-01-04 9:54 ` Björn Bidar via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-04 9:54 ` Björn Bidar via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
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2025-01-04 11:26 ` Michael Albinus via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-04 22:16 ` Björn Bidar via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-04 22:16 ` Björn Bidar via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
[not found] ` <6779b38c.050a0220.be2ea.a6e0SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
2025-01-05 5:30 ` Stefan Kangas
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2025-01-05 8:18 ` Michael Albinus via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
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