From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: Romain Francoise <romain@orebokech.com>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: arevert-xtra.texi xref gremlin
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 12:10:29 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <86odm57oq2.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <uzm5p4w9k.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue\, 03 Apr 2007 12\:55\:51 +0300")
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>> From: Romain Francoise <romain@orebokech.com>
>> Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 11:48:17 +0200
>>
>> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>>
>> > They already did: at least one Debian user told me in some forum
>> > (I think gnu.emacs.help) that "C-h F" and "C-h K" didn't work
>> > because the manuals were not there.
>>
>> C-h F and C-h K are new in Emacs 22
>
> Yes. The person who told me that used the v21.x equivalents "C-h C-f"
> and "C-h C-k". This doesn't change the essence of the problem, which
> is that Emacs 21 was shipped without documentation.
I think it was just because they fscked up when sorting things into
directories. IIRC, the files were there, just not found.
>> and the Emacs 22 package in Debian (emacs-snapshot) ships all the
>> manuals (for the time being).
>
> If they did that once, and on purpose, they can do it again.
The maintainer of emacs-snapshot has already stated that he will no
longer update this package since he is not willing to rip out the
documentation and thus does not feel he can follow Debian policies
here.
Apart from the licensing issue, Emacs is one of the most thoroughly
ruined packages by Debian. No Emacs and XEmacs developers understand
what Debian does, neither does Emacs/XEmacs itself
(list-load-path-shadows comes up with hundreds of entries), few people
see capable of creating an Elisp package for the system.
The purported advantage is that one needs only one Elisp package for
all flavors of Emacs (emacs21, emacs22, XEmacs) and can install things
in parallel.
There is also a half-baked solution for keeping the documentation in
parallel, and it leads to many manual links not working.
In short: Emacs/XEmacs under Debian are mostly broken, including the
documentation.
Removing the documentation does not make them much more broken.
--
David Kastrup
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-04-03 10:10 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-04-02 23:22 arevert-xtra.texi xref gremlin Kevin Ryde
2007-04-02 23:35 ` Luc Teirlinck
2007-04-03 0:10 ` Kevin Ryde
2007-04-03 6:48 ` David Kastrup
2007-04-03 8:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-04-03 9:48 ` Romain Francoise
2007-04-03 9:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-04-03 10:10 ` David Kastrup [this message]
2007-04-03 16:13 ` Miles Bader
2007-04-03 16:29 ` Davi Leal
2007-04-03 18:30 ` David Kastrup
2007-04-03 18:41 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-04-03 18:56 ` Chong Yidong
2007-04-03 22:58 ` Johan Bockgård
2007-04-04 12:53 ` Davi Leal
2007-04-04 17:38 ` [debian-vrms] Bug#221807: "please take this into consideration" David Diaz
2007-04-05 2:41 ` Bug#221807: " Bdale Garbee
2007-04-05 9:56 ` David Diaz
2007-04-03 14:52 ` arevert-xtra.texi xref gremlin Stefan Monnier
2007-04-03 18:41 ` David Kastrup
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