From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Is Elisp really that slow? Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2019 08:05:49 +0200 Message-ID: <86o93ctvlu.fsf@zoho.eu> References: <20190516161408.4dov3dwk5h4yoizn@Ergus> <838sv6cmwt.fsf@gnu.org> <20190516202327.5cgy2s4kppy3ahxa@Ergus> <871s0yqg2i.fsf@telefonica.net> <3210C8E9-7A74-47D6-81A0-470948E6D09C@gmail.com> <87r28xq0j1.fsf@telefonica.net> <20190517055202.ted62gt6hqcip7xt@Ergus> <83mujlbgjh.fsf@gnu.org> <20190517123551.vumasyoyr5bv5voq@Ergus> <835zq9b4vi.fsf@gnu.org> <20190517192429.maibexmwcr56mlky@Ergus> <83pnogalhk.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Emanuel Berg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="110274"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jun 05 08:06:28 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hYP47-000SXk-Oa for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 05 Jun 2019 08:06:27 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36003 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hYP46-0003vs-Pf for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 05 Jun 2019 02:06:26 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:42593) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hYP3v-0003vn-GI for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Jun 2019 02:06:16 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hYP3t-0006xy-Ej for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Jun 2019 02:06:15 -0400 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=49998 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hYP3j-0006RV-Gl for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Jun 2019 02:06:06 -0400 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hYP3g-000S0B-Ul for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Jun 2019 08:06:00 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Cancel-Lock: sha1:jQ5pSMFvDBgSc8S06YVP35WWyQQ= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:120749 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Unix principles imposes here, do one thing >> and do it right > > That's not applicable to Emacs, since Emacs > is not a tool, it's a programming and > text-editing environment. And howcome that is that not a tool? A Swiss army knife and a combination plier is not a tool either, as they contain different tools? A toolbox is not a tool, as you can put different tools in it? A milling machine is not a tool, as you can use it to make yet another tool? Maybe even a tool to improve the milling machine itself? No, Emacs is a tool. Rather, Emacs is the exception that confirms the Unix rule... > I didn't mean "undo" literally, I meant > "do-SOMETHING" and "UN-do-SOMETHING". > Every editor I've met has different commands > for action and counter-action, while you say > we should have a single command that > does both. One can do that with the single `undo' command, as I described in (I think) my previous post. (I'm sure I'm not the first/only one doing that and probably not the last either.) > And you go there by line numbers? Line numbers, here meaning the functionality, not a vertical ruler by the side, is very useful - when compiling, when communicating, when editing. Indispensible I'd say (in the context of and advanced editor, of course). -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 https://dataswamp.org/~incal