From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Is Elisp really that slow? Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2019 02:06:58 +0200 Message-ID: <86o93bshjx.fsf@zoho.eu> References: <20190514235412.kncazq45szlum2gr@Ergus> <83ftpecwu1.fsf@gnu.org> <20190516161408.4dov3dwk5h4yoizn@Ergus> <838sv6cmwt.fsf@gnu.org> <20190516202327.5cgy2s4kppy3ahxa@Ergus> <871s0yqg2i.fsf@telefonica.net> <3210C8E9-7A74-47D6-81A0-470948E6D09C@gmail.com> <87r28xq0j1.fsf@telefonica.net> <576240a5-c92a-5cf8-898b-43f214a2b580@yandex.ru> <83imu9beyn.fsf@gnu.org> <8463581c-c40f-a66a-5c9c-0995a3b45cd0@yandex.ru> <83bm01b83i.fsf@gnu.org> <66e5fc8d-5cf4-89cd-5c4f-7fad581a97f5@yandex.ru> <83zhnl9pak.fsf@gnu.org> <6c23e6a7-91b9-92db-0f2d-ac11fdf5a35c@yandex.ru> <83woip9mgs.fsf@gnu.org> <83tvdr8yxd.fsf@gnu.org> <874l5rnwsp.fsf@telefonica.net> Reply-To: Emanuel Berg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="68214"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jun 06 02:07:34 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hYfwL-000Hcn-1W for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 06 Jun 2019 02:07:33 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51975 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hYfwJ-0002PL-Pb for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 05 Jun 2019 20:07:31 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:54672) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hYfw5-0002PG-WE for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Jun 2019 20:07:19 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hYfw3-0003gQ-Lt for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Jun 2019 20:07:17 -0400 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=54796 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hYfvy-0003ST-5k for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Jun 2019 20:07:11 -0400 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hYfvt-000H7Y-Ko for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Jun 2019 02:07:05 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Cancel-Lock: sha1:ZC+p+wu98YSbL8tWnZoDiN8iZbc= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:120756 Archived-At: X Y Z wrote: > And, that's exactly the point! Emacs *is* > inconsistent, and we should try to eliminate > them (hopefully before a bigger user base > appears). We should always strive for it but there is no need to burn down the house in order to kill the rats. > There's a point where any kind of big > software platform has an HIG, like Apple > macOS, iOS, or XDG, Gnome, Qt, e.g... and > I would appreciate if we can make an HIG for > Emacs packages. Thinks like keybindings, UI, > messages, etc. We have HIGs as well. Check out, for example (info "(elisp) Coding Conventions") (info "(elisp) Packaging") and I'm sure there are better examples still, in particular WRT keybindings. BTW: XDG = X Desktop Group HIG = Human Interface Guidelines -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 https://dataswamp.org/~incal