From: dieter@duenenhof-wilhelm.de (H. Dieter Wilhelm)
To: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
Cc: "Emacs developers" <emacs-devel@gnu.org>,
"Stefan Kangas" <stefan@marxist.se>,
"Kévin Le Gouguec" <kevin.legouguec@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Convert some files from outline-mode to org-mode
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2020 14:14:56 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <86o8rd5dmn.fsf@duenenhof-wilhelm.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200427102311.GA4976@ACM> (Alan Mackenzie's message of "Mon, 27 Apr 2020 10:23:11 +0000")
Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> writes:
> > So, while I agree that org-mode is a sledgehammer for e.g. idly browsing
> > NEWS, from a user's point-of-view (at least this user) and to borrow
> > your terms, outline-mode "is a monster" with countless esoteric
> > keybindings;
> There are not "countless" keybindings in outline-mode; there are just 26
> defined commands, only some of which will have bindings. By contrast,
> in org-mode there are 798 defined commands. That's a factor of 30
> greater.
Outline-mode is currently "wasting" 3 menus (Headings, Show, Hide) for
19 commands with keybindings (Emacs-26.3).
Org-mode is providing an intuitive outlining with only the <TAB> and
<Shift> keys. If you need the complete functionality of outline
(movement and ordering commands), you can have it with only <ALT>, <RET>,
">", < and the `org-use-speed-commands' `n' `p' `b' 'f' and 'u'!
I'm not necessarily asking to replace outline-mode with org-mode but to
align the outline-mode interface to org-mode.
Thanks
Dieter
--
Best wishes
H. Dieter Wilhelm
Zwingenberg, Germany
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-04-27 12:14 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-04-26 15:43 Convert some files from outline-mode to org-mode Stefan Kangas
2020-04-26 16:13 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-04-26 18:36 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-26 19:52 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-04-26 20:54 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-26 22:53 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-04-26 16:16 ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2020-04-26 17:22 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-04-26 19:29 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-04-26 21:54 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-04-26 22:09 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-26 22:41 ` Drew Adams
2020-04-27 7:20 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-04-27 15:23 ` Drew Adams
2020-04-27 15:31 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-04-27 7:39 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-04-27 14:27 ` Reveal-mode (was: Convert some files from outline-mode to org-mode) Stefan Monnier
2020-04-27 10:23 ` Convert some files from outline-mode to org-mode Alan Mackenzie
2020-04-27 11:45 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-04-27 20:30 ` Juri Linkov
2020-04-27 21:24 ` Drew Adams
2020-04-27 23:05 ` John Yates
2020-04-28 2:51 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-24 6:23 ` Bastien
2020-04-28 15:12 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-04-28 16:41 ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2020-04-28 17:56 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-04-28 19:22 ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2020-04-28 23:35 ` Juri Linkov
2020-04-29 10:53 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-04-29 11:37 ` Reconciling org-mode idiosyncrasies with Emacs core (was: Convert some files from outline-mode to org-mode) Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-04-29 12:30 ` Reconciling org-mode idiosyncrasies with Emacs core Nicolas Goaziou
2020-05-04 10:45 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-05-04 14:50 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-05-04 16:14 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-05-06 14:54 ` [PATCH] Make RET and C-j obey `electric-indent-mode' in org-mode (was: Reconciling org-mode idiosyncrasies with Emacs core) Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-05-07 10:48 ` [PATCH] Make RET and C-j obey `electric-indent-mode' in org-mode Nicolas Goaziou
2020-05-07 12:03 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-05-07 12:21 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-05-07 16:45 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-05-07 16:50 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-05-07 19:38 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-05-24 6:25 ` Bastien
2020-05-07 13:53 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-07 15:33 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-05-24 6:23 ` Convert some files from outline-mode to org-mode Bastien
2020-05-24 6:18 ` Bastien
2020-04-27 12:14 ` H. Dieter Wilhelm [this message]
2020-05-24 6:13 ` Bastien
2020-04-26 18:40 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-24 6:15 ` Bastien
2020-04-27 2:23 ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-27 6:37 ` Michael Albinus
2020-04-27 7:12 ` tomas
2020-04-28 2:49 ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-28 9:40 ` Michael Albinus
2020-04-29 3:30 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-24 6:16 ` Bastien
2020-04-27 9:59 ` Po Lu
2020-04-27 14:36 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-27 14:49 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-04-29 3:27 ` Howard Melman
2020-04-29 3:52 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-04-29 13:54 ` Howard Melman
2020-04-29 14:08 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-04-29 14:17 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-04-29 14:52 ` Howard Melman
2020-04-29 14:03 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-04-30 10:25 ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2020-05-07 21:01 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-05-08 17:50 ` Yuri Khan
2020-05-08 17:55 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-05-24 6:35 ` Bastien
2020-04-29 17:52 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-04-29 19:19 ` Howard Melman
2020-04-30 2:24 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-24 6:04 ` Bastien
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