From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: with-editor seems like a bug fix Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2024 15:58:43 +0300 Message-ID: <86o77jj470.fsf@gnu.org> References: <86frsz6i6v.fsf@gnu.org> <87o77miusp.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <8634oy65mo.fsf@gnu.org> <87msn4nh2p.fsf@gmx.de> <86wmm7j55c.fsf@gnu.org> <87ed8f531w.fsf@gmx.de> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="36288"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: manuel@ledu-giraud.fr, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, jonas@bernoul.li To: Michael Albinus Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 29 14:59:43 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sNXg6-0009BU-W8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 29 Jun 2024 14:59:43 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sNXfK-0007lz-W5; Sat, 29 Jun 2024 08:58:55 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sNXfJ-0007le-SN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Jun 2024 08:58:53 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sNXfI-0003u6-Jf; Sat, 29 Jun 2024 08:58:52 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=jLCSyvofTz3f3PzoHumYOEGtclzCGJGBOhN4g1ZncBM=; b=S3aI2ooTYcvb Ro3rch15uU2R6jlxblpjkgI2witZ9x+qTv1T4tGJoRQ0pFRea+XcS9jh8ESkLy0LpBUQg4JE/plu4 ivHTEnY2IwvgwDI1nYs0Ea9WX2RMtyJ20z6Oy4ShZIfspZ9Hm0i9ogC8TyP+jELRn60PwNx0ZJGLH Wf/0lVLi+fvsRv2Tq5V8T0vWqt4pC1LCP+7MveuCAMXTTb8uDmmL3puv2svOcXyWhw4+OzIVCpZjX zfSpi8HhD9uODA9WSX2nEjpZB5IRNks5PtTYyEGhTIV2NEsRWM7PdfIpwvLMf6HIWCoDoJerqm7dw W5yt8V8RK9NhQ51eltzlWw==; In-Reply-To: <87ed8f531w.fsf@gmx.de> (message from Michael Albinus on Sat, 29 Jun 2024 14:47:07 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:320851 Archived-At: > From: Michael Albinus > Cc: manuel@ledu-giraud.fr, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, > jonas@bernoul.li > Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2024 14:47:07 +0200 > > >> TL;DR: I don't believe with-editor is just a bug fix. There are reasons > >> for the implementation as-it-is. It might profit from using > >> emacsclient also for the remote case (when possible), but nobody > >> has taken the stab. > > > > I don't see how we can discuss a package which solves problems we > > don't understand. > > Oh, we understand. When there is no emacsclient on the remote host, we > cannot use it. with-editor solves this problems. I meant in the local case. For the remote case, if you think the solution in with-editor is the best we can do, let's install something like that in our own code, or maybe provide a user option for doing that. > > Until and unless someone describes the problems which with-editor > > solves in enough detail for us to understand what goes wrong and > > where, I don't think we can discuss the addition of the package to > > core. > > Yep, there are more use cases to investigate. But there doesn't seem > enough pressure (from users) to change the status quo. > > I believe it is OK to keep with-editor in ELPA. Fine by me. Removal from ELPA was never on the table.