From: Juri Linkov <juri@linkov.net>
To: <tomas@tuxteam.de>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Keybindings and changing keyboard layout [was: Writting Greek in Emacs]
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2024 20:55:15 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <86o74ggbak.fsf@mail.linkov.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Zu5cYnLc3jksiRBh@tuxteam.de> (tomas@tuxteam.de's message of "Sat, 21 Sep 2024 07:40:50 +0200")
>> > As to input method using modifier keys, it might lead to conflicts with
>> > default key bindings for some commands.
>>
>> Yes, when I write in Greek I do not have access to emacs keybindings
>> (C-b etc).
>
> Yes, this is somewhat annoying, but I haven't yet a good idea on how
> to cope with that.
>
> I like to change the keyboard layout at the X level, since then I can
> also type in Greek into a terminal or into a (gasp!) browser, and the
> keyboard layout stays consistent.
>
> But Emacs (rightfully) balks at me that CTRL-β is a funny control sequence.
>
> Surprisingly, some applications seem to magically "cope" in some way. In
> Firefox, CTRL-τ opens a new tab (as CTRL-t would do under a Latin layout).
> But this doesn't really count: Firefox has just a few useful keybindings
> and the whole model actually discourages using them, while Emacs has
> a very rich set of bindings which is at the core of its user interaction.
>
> Given the very dense keybindings in Emacs, this seems like a daunting
> task: I even guess it has some ugly fuzzy borders: just blindly going
> by "places" in the keyboard brings up issues like CTRL-Z and CTRL-Y
> being switched for German layouts, and Germans would expect those bindings
> to "move" with the key labels instead of following "geometry". Likewise
> for French ("A" "Z" where usually "Q" and "W" are, etc).
This is bug#43830. Patches welcome.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-09-21 17:55 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-09-19 14:43 Writting Greek in Emacs Thanos Apollo
2024-09-19 14:57 ` Greg Farough
2024-09-19 16:12 ` Thanos Apollo
2024-09-19 16:49 ` Greg Farough
2024-09-19 16:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-09-19 16:32 ` Thanos Apollo
2024-09-19 16:42 ` Robert Pluim
2024-09-19 16:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-09-19 17:05 ` Thanos Apollo
2024-09-19 17:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-09-19 18:06 ` Thanos Apollo
2024-09-19 18:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-09-19 19:04 ` Thanos Apollo
2024-09-20 5:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-09-19 18:03 ` Visuwesh
2024-09-19 18:13 ` Visuwesh
2024-09-19 19:03 ` Thanos Apollo
2024-09-19 18:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-09-19 19:02 ` Thanos Apollo
2024-09-20 5:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-09-20 9:18 ` Thanos Apollo
2024-09-20 9:47 ` Emanuel Berg
2024-09-20 10:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-09-20 11:16 ` Thanos Apollo
2024-09-20 12:24 ` Thanos Apollo
2024-09-20 12:39 ` Robert Pluim
2024-09-20 12:55 ` Thanos Apollo
2024-09-20 13:41 ` Robert Pluim
2024-09-20 13:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-09-20 13:54 ` Thanos Apollo
2024-09-20 14:48 ` Emanuel Berg
2024-09-20 22:00 ` Thanos Apollo
2024-09-21 8:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-09-21 15:31 ` Emanuel Berg
2024-09-20 14:23 ` Max Nikulin
2024-09-20 23:53 ` Thanos Apollo
2024-09-21 5:40 ` Keybindings and changing keyboard layout [was: Writting Greek in Emacs] tomas
2024-09-21 17:55 ` Juri Linkov [this message]
2024-09-22 6:47 ` tomas
2024-09-22 11:29 ` Max Nikulin
2024-09-23 5:54 ` tomas
2024-09-24 4:22 ` Max Nikulin
2024-09-24 14:10 ` tomas
2024-09-21 8:23 ` Writting Greek in Emacs Eli Zaretskii
2024-09-23 3:28 ` Max Nikulin
2024-09-23 14:02 ` Thanos Apollo
2024-09-24 3:53 ` Max Nikulin
2024-09-24 14:37 ` Thanos Apollo
2024-09-24 13:54 ` tomas
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