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From: Juri Linkov <juri@linkov.net>
To: <tomas@tuxteam.de>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Keybindings and changing keyboard layout [was: Writting Greek in Emacs]
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2024 20:55:15 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <86o74ggbak.fsf@mail.linkov.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Zu5cYnLc3jksiRBh@tuxteam.de> (tomas@tuxteam.de's message of "Sat, 21 Sep 2024 07:40:50 +0200")

>> > As to input method using modifier keys, it might lead to conflicts with 
>> > default key bindings for some commands.
>>
>> Yes, when I write in Greek I do not have access to emacs keybindings
>> (C-b etc).
>
> Yes, this is somewhat annoying, but I haven't yet a good idea on how
> to cope with that.
>
> I like to change the keyboard layout at the X level, since then I can
> also type in Greek into a terminal or into a (gasp!) browser, and the
> keyboard layout stays consistent.
>
> But Emacs (rightfully) balks at me that CTRL-β is a funny control sequence.
>
> Surprisingly, some applications seem to magically "cope" in some way. In
> Firefox, CTRL-τ opens a new tab (as CTRL-t would do under a Latin layout).
> But this doesn't really count: Firefox has just a few useful keybindings
> and the whole model actually discourages using them, while Emacs has
> a very rich set of bindings which is at the core of its user interaction.
>
> Given the very dense keybindings in Emacs, this seems like a daunting
> task: I even guess it has some ugly fuzzy borders: just blindly going
> by "places" in the keyboard brings up issues like CTRL-Z and CTRL-Y
> being switched for German layouts, and Germans would expect those bindings
> to "move" with the key labels instead of following "geometry". Likewise
> for French ("A" "Z" where usually "Q" and "W" are, etc).

This is bug#43830.  Patches welcome.



  reply	other threads:[~2024-09-21 17:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-09-19 14:43 Writting Greek in Emacs Thanos Apollo
2024-09-19 14:57 ` Greg Farough
2024-09-19 16:12   ` Thanos Apollo
2024-09-19 16:49     ` Greg Farough
2024-09-19 16:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-09-19 16:32   ` Thanos Apollo
2024-09-19 16:42     ` Robert Pluim
2024-09-19 16:44     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-09-19 17:05       ` Thanos Apollo
2024-09-19 17:44         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-09-19 18:06           ` Thanos Apollo
2024-09-19 18:27             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-09-19 19:04               ` Thanos Apollo
2024-09-20  5:56                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-09-19 18:03         ` Visuwesh
2024-09-19 18:13           ` Visuwesh
2024-09-19 19:03           ` Thanos Apollo
2024-09-19 18:07         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-09-19 19:02           ` Thanos Apollo
2024-09-20  5:55             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-09-20  9:18               ` Thanos Apollo
2024-09-20  9:47                 ` Emanuel Berg
2024-09-20 10:40                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-09-20 11:16                   ` Thanos Apollo
2024-09-20 12:24                   ` Thanos Apollo
2024-09-20 12:39                     ` Robert Pluim
2024-09-20 12:55                       ` Thanos Apollo
2024-09-20 13:41                         ` Robert Pluim
2024-09-20 13:35                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-09-20 13:54                       ` Thanos Apollo
2024-09-20 14:48                         ` Emanuel Berg
2024-09-20 22:00                           ` Thanos Apollo
2024-09-21  8:19                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-09-21 15:31                             ` Emanuel Berg
2024-09-20 14:23 ` Max Nikulin
2024-09-20 23:53   ` Thanos Apollo
2024-09-21  5:40     ` Keybindings and changing keyboard layout [was: Writting Greek in Emacs] tomas
2024-09-21 17:55       ` Juri Linkov [this message]
2024-09-22  6:47         ` tomas
2024-09-22 11:29           ` Max Nikulin
2024-09-23  5:54             ` tomas
2024-09-24  4:22               ` Max Nikulin
2024-09-24 14:10                 ` tomas
2024-09-21  8:23     ` Writting Greek in Emacs Eli Zaretskii
2024-09-23  3:28     ` Max Nikulin
2024-09-23 14:02       ` Thanos Apollo
2024-09-24  3:53         ` Max Nikulin
2024-09-24 14:37           ` Thanos Apollo
2024-09-24 13:54         ` tomas

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