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From: Stephen Leake <stephen_leake@stephe-leake.org>
To: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] emacs-25 f8208b6: Document the user-level features of the Xref package
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 13:01:15 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <86mvry69l0.fsf@stephe-leake.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: m2si1sj740.fsf@newartisans.com

John Wiegley <jwiegley@gmail.com> writes:

>>>>>> Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru> writes:
>
>> Are you both proposing that we rename all project- commands to xref-?
>> Despite the fact that the former act on the current project, using simple
>> operations (Grep files or list files), and the existing xref- commands all
>> use data provided by the current xref backend?
>
> Think of a user who isn't aware of the distinction between project and xref.
> Which command would make the most sense to them at the M-x prompt?

First response is; tell them to read the relevant manual sections, this
stuff is _not_ trivial.

Second response; that depends on what they want to accomplish.

If they want to perform a find-and-replace of a string on all the files
in the current project, then "project" makes the most sense.

If they've just used xref to produce a list of references, and now want
to perform a find-and-replace on those, "xref" makes the most sense.

There is a confusion between xref and project; xref must operate on some
set of files, and one job of project is provide a set of files. But
xref does not rely solely on project for the set, hence the confusion.

I think we should move more towards relying on "project" commands for
operations on sets of files; xref is then mostly a tool that project
commands use.

Another way to look at this is that any xref backend should also provide
a project backend, so the two sets of commands always operate on the
same set of files.

--
-- Stephe



  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-01-21 19:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found] ` <E1aHyy4-0006rU-Td@vcs.savannah.gnu.org>
2016-01-10  3:02   ` [Emacs-diffs] emacs-25 f8208b6: Document the user-level features of the Xref package Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-10 15:50     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-10 18:05       ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-10 18:59         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-10 19:32           ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-10 20:51             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-10 21:11               ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-11  3:33                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-11 16:55                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-11 17:52                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-11 19:09               ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-11 19:31                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-11 19:41                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-11 20:14                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-11 20:21                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-18 17:31                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-18 22:18                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-19 17:41                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-19 21:53                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-20  4:43                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-20  7:28                               ` John Wiegley
2016-01-20 20:53                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-20 21:03                                   ` John Wiegley
2016-01-20 21:09                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-21 19:01                                     ` Stephen Leake [this message]
2016-01-21 20:32                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-21  3:46                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-21  3:28                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-21 17:29                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-21 18:46                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-21 19:00                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-21 19:46                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-21 20:02                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-21 20:10                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-21 20:32                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-21 21:40                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-24  2:20                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-24 15:29                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-25 20:38                                                   ` Ken Brown
2016-01-25 20:52                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-25 21:29                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-26  2:44                                                       ` Ken Brown
2016-01-26  6:22                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-21 19:19                                   ` Stephen Leake
2016-01-21 19:26                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-22  7:40                                       ` Stephen Leake
2016-01-22  8:21                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-22 10:46                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-22 13:37                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-22 10:07                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-21 20:09                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-22 18:16                                       ` John Yates
2016-01-19  5:36     ` John Wiegley
2016-01-19  5:47       ` Dmitry Gutov

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