From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Where is Emacs Lisp taught ? Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2018 19:27:11 +0200 Message-ID: <86muqzpafk.fsf@zoho.com> References: <5B8BFDC9-A07B-48FE-8C97-1BB0B84E5577@gmail.com> <53705d26-8a69-4453-aed9-ab72a0cd139e@googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1540661159 26226 195.159.176.226 (27 Oct 2018 17:25:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2018 17:25:59 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 27 19:25:55 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gGSLR-0006hz-Oe for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 27 Oct 2018 19:25:53 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37326 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gGSNY-0000lS-6r for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 27 Oct 2018 13:28:04 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:53188) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gGSN6-0000Yx-Lz for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 27 Oct 2018 13:27:37 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gGSN2-0000Nh-Kc for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 27 Oct 2018 13:27:36 -0400 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=44175 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gGSN0-0000Lc-FY for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 27 Oct 2018 13:27:30 -0400 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gGSKh-0005yJ-Cn for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 27 Oct 2018 19:25:07 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-Lines: 34 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org Mail-Copies-To: never Cancel-Lock: sha1:cOZBdPTE1m5jr88h+OOnyqMO9mU= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:118446 Archived-At: Jean-Christophe Helary wrote: > Hence the difficulty to find places that > teach elisp, since such places would rather > teach general computing, than domain > specific computing. In theory yes, and in practice I think that is what they do most of the time. Still, the step from whatever industrial-strength Lisp to Elisp isn't exactly a grand leap, and you don't have to be a CS/math type to do it, really. There is also the reversed movement, i.e. people who discover Lisp thru Emacs and Elisp. If one were to quantify these tendencies, when you do a university course in programming, it feels like a heck of a job, it takes forever etc., but compare that to all the Joe Emacs hackers all around the world who use Emacs every day and fiddle with Elisp with all their (our) wierd projects... Perhaps some decades ago the industry and university share was much bigger (the "Lisp Wars" and all) but today I wonder if not Emacs in particular is "The Moor's Last Sigh"? -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573