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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Pip Cet <pipcet@protonmail.com>
Cc: gerd.moellmann@gmail.com, eller.helmut@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: MPS: weak hash tables
Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2024 21:20:23 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <86msmzbqqg.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <_ThR9pdYMaIpZASWVEUqh-TuMSUydDM4v4g6QeKGUJE3ilY4tfRXHPiXAGG4RupeAl8BIJ8FFr2BUiWT9xUvB8W4uuEXypIz6GrGXYLPG88=@protonmail.com> (message from Pip Cet on Tue, 02 Jul 2024 16:34:40 +0000)

> Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2024 16:34:40 +0000
> From: Pip Cet <pipcet@protonmail.com>
> Cc: gerd.moellmann@gmail.com, eller.helmut@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
> 
> > > 1. mangle all Lisp_Objects to pointers or fixnums when storing them in a weak hash table, and unmangle them upon retrieval
> > > 2. not use 32-bit x86 machines
> > > 3. modify MPS
> > > 4. throw caution to the wind and just hope it works
> > I don't understand why (1) is needed. Lisp objects are already
> > pointers in disguise, so what exactly is the problem here?
> 
> They need to be aligned for MPS to understand they're pointers; they're unaligned, except for symbols which aren't pointers in the first place.  In essence, MPS was focusing on the wrong language (for us).

The pointers we hide in Lisp objects are already aligned.  Why cannot
we use them directly?

> > I also don't understand how come an optimization turned out to do us
> > some harm.
> 
> Isn't that quite common, really?

Not in my book, no.

> Is it okay if I install the changes for Ihor's bugs first, then fix IA32? I still need to do some work to make sure they build without any unnecessary overhead in the !HAVE_MPS case.

It doesn't matter in what order things are fixed as long as they are
fixed.



  reply	other threads:[~2024-07-02 18:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 196+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-07-01 20:47 MPS: weak hash tables Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-01 21:16 ` Pip Cet
2024-07-01 23:10   ` Pip Cet
2024-07-02  4:19     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-02  5:47     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-02  6:23       ` Pip Cet
2024-07-02  6:55         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-02  9:15           ` Pip Cet
2024-07-02  9:37             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-02 10:11               ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-02 11:36               ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-02 13:15                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-02 13:16                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-02 13:42                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-02 15:03                       ` Pip Cet
2024-07-02 15:17                         ` Helmut Eller
2024-07-02 15:35                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-02 16:34                           ` Pip Cet
2024-07-02 18:20                             ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2024-07-02 20:16                               ` Pip Cet
2024-07-03  6:30                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-03 11:23                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-03 11:28                                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-02 13:02             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-02 12:45           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-02 11:23         ` Helmut Eller
2024-07-03  6:11           ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-03  6:33             ` Pip Cet
2024-07-03  7:04               ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-03  7:24                 ` Helmut Eller
2024-07-03  7:25                 ` Pip Cet
2024-07-03  7:38                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-03  8:26                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-03  9:31                       ` Pip Cet
2024-07-03 10:22                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-03 10:41                           ` Pip Cet
2024-07-03 11:17                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-03 20:20                           ` Pip Cet
2024-07-04  7:17                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-04 15:24                               ` Pip Cet
2024-07-04 16:53                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-04 20:05                                   ` Pip Cet
2024-07-05  3:50                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-05 12:08                                       ` Pip Cet
2024-07-05 12:54                                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-05 13:27                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-05 20:35                                           ` Pip Cet
2024-07-06  6:10                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-06  6:31                                               ` Pip Cet
2024-07-06  7:00                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-06  7:40                                                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-06  9:13                                                   ` Pip Cet
2024-07-06 10:59                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-05 18:14                                         ` Helmut Eller
2024-07-05 19:25                                           ` Pip Cet
2024-07-06  3:39                                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-06  5:58                                               ` Pip Cet
2024-07-06  6:20                                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-06  6:29                                                   ` Pip Cet
2024-07-06  6:51                                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-06  6:46                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-06  9:23                                                   ` Pip Cet
2024-07-06 11:03                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-06  3:38                                           ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-06  9:47                                             ` Helmut Eller
2024-07-06 10:38                                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-06 11:13                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-06 13:50                                                 ` Helmut Eller
2024-07-06 13:59                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-06 14:38                                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-06 16:20                                                     ` Helmut Eller
2024-07-06 16:33                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-06 16:48                                                         ` Helmut Eller
2024-07-06 17:21                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-06 17:59                                                             ` Helmut Eller
2024-07-06 18:14                                                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-06 18:56                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-06 11:37                                               ` Pip Cet
2024-07-06 11:40                                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-06 11:57                                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-06 12:03                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-06 12:16                                                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-06 12:23                                                     ` Pip Cet
2024-07-06 12:39                                                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-06 12:30                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-06 12:43                                                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-06 13:53                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-06 12:36                                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-06 14:00                                                       ` Helmut Eller
2024-07-06 14:08                                                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-06 14:24                                                           ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-06 14:44                                                           ` Helmut Eller
2024-07-06 14:52                                                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-06 15:49                                                               ` Pip Cet
2024-07-06 16:31                                                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-06 16:56                                                                   ` Pip Cet
2024-07-06 17:28                                                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-06 17:31                                                                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-06 18:30                                                                       ` Pip Cet
2024-07-06 20:00                                                                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-06 20:09                                                                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-07-07  3:55                                                                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07  4:27                                                                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07  4:30                                                                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07  6:38                                                                               ` Pip Cet
2024-07-07  7:31                                                                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07  7:44                                                                                 ` Helmut Eller
2024-07-07  8:10                                                                                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07  8:24                                                                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07  8:47                                                                                       ` Pip Cet
2024-07-07  9:24                                                                                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07  9:26                                                                                           ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07 10:47                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-07 11:19                                                                                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07 14:09                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-07 14:15                                                                                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07 14:42                                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-07 14:52                                                                                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07 15:34                                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-07 15:36                                                                                                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07 16:00                                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-07 17:08                                                                                                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07 17:49                                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-07 18:15                                                                                                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07 18:22                                                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-07 18:29                                                                                                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07 14:16                                                                                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07 14:18                                                                                                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07 10:57                                                                                           ` Pip Cet
2024-07-07 11:35                                                                                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07 11:48                                                                                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07 14:07                                                                                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07 14:21                                                                                                 ` Pip Cet
2024-07-07 14:27                                                                                                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07 15:22                                                                                                   ` Helmut Eller
2024-07-07 15:40                                                                                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07 15:52                                                                                                       ` Helmut Eller
2024-07-07 15:56                                                                                                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07 15:57                                                                                                         ` Pip Cet
2024-07-07 16:26                                                                                                           ` Helmut Eller
2024-07-07 17:03                                                                                                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07 18:40                                                                                                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07 18:53                                                                                                                 ` Helmut Eller
2024-07-07 19:00                                                                                                                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07 19:31                                                                                                                     ` Pip Cet
2024-07-07 19:36                                                                                                                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-08  9:11                                                                                                                     ` MPS: commit limit Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-10  6:46                                                                                                                       ` Helmut Eller
2024-07-10  7:08                                                                                                                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-16 15:16                                                                                                                       ` Helmut Eller
2024-07-16 15:27                                                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-16 15:43                                                                                                                           ` Helmut Eller
2024-07-16 15:54                                                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-16 16:29                                                                                                                               ` Helmut Eller
2024-07-16 16:39                                                                                                                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-16 16:43                                                                                                                                   ` Pip Cet
2024-07-16 16:56                                                                                                                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-16 15:32                                                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-16 16:27                                                                                                                           ` Helmut Eller
2024-07-16 18:49                                                                                                                             ` Pip Cet
2024-07-17  6:15                                                                                                                               ` Helmut Eller
2024-07-16 16:32                                                                                                                         ` Pip Cet
2024-07-16 16:48                                                                                                                           ` Helmut Eller
2024-07-08  5:11                                                                                                             ` MPS: weak hash tables Pip Cet
2024-07-08  5:17                                                                                                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-08  5:37                                                                                                                 ` Pip Cet
2024-07-08  5:43                                                                                                                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07  8:49                                                                                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-08  9:16                                                         ` Andrea Corallo
2024-07-08  9:24                                                           ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-08  9:54                                                             ` Andrea Corallo
2024-07-08 10:10                                                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-08 11:57                                                             ` MPS: out-of-memory Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-08 13:46                                                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-08 16:45                                                                 ` Pip Cet
2024-07-08 18:26                                                                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-08 19:44                                                                     ` Pip Cet
2024-07-09  3:58                                                                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-08 18:27                                                                   ` Helmut Eller
2024-07-08 18:31                                                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-08 19:14                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-08 19:35                                                                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-08 19:08                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-08 19:31                                                                     ` Pip Cet
2024-07-04 15:22                         ` MPS: weak hash tables Helmut Eller
2024-07-04 15:33                           ` Pip Cet
2024-07-04 16:46                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-04 16:43                           ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-02 13:50         ` Mattias Engdegård
2024-07-02  6:57     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-02  7:15       ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-02  8:46         ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-07-02  8:59           ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-02  9:33             ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-07-02  9:35               ` Pip Cet
2024-07-02 11:03                 ` Ihor Radchenko

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