From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Alan Third <alan@idiocy.org>
Cc: gerd.moellmann@gmail.com, 75275@debbugs.gnu.org, stefankangas@gmail.com
Subject: bug#75275: 30.0.92; `make-thread` bug on macOS 15.2
Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2025 17:31:07 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <86msg9jkqs.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Z3ZylsXjH2vbX8LB@faroe.holly.idiocy.org> (message from Alan Third on Thu, 2 Jan 2025 11:03:50 +0000)
> Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2025 11:03:50 +0000
> From: Alan Third <alan@idiocy.org>
> Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, stefankangas@gmail.com,
> 75275@debbugs.gnu.org
>
> > > I don't know. Is there anything in the following code that can be
> > > relevant to a non-main thread? Note that non-main threads can
> > > legitimately call wait_reading_process_output, which calls ns_select.
> > > For example, what happens if a non-main Lisp thread starts a
> > > sub-process? we do expect to be able to read the output from that
> > > sub-process.
>
> My take on how this works was that in a non-main thread ns_select
> should just act like pselect, hence it used to literally just call
> pselect and return.
In general, this is not right: calls to ns_select are expected to call
thread_select, in all threads, so that other threads could get a
chance on grabbing the global lock while this (non-main) thread waits
for sub-process output.
Maybe this cannot currently work in the NS build, but then it means
any non-main thread will never relinquish the global lock until its
function returns or signals an error.
> FWIW, I still think the NS code in its current form is unsuitable for
> multi-threaded use and must be rewritten.
Then maybe we should stop supporting a with-threads build in NS?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-01-02 15:31 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-01-02 4:57 bug#75275: 30.0.92; `make-thread` bug on macOS 15.2 Stefan Kangas
2025-01-02 5:46 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02 5:55 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02 6:47 ` Stefan Kangas
2025-01-02 7:12 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02 14:35 ` Stefan Kangas
2025-01-02 14:38 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02 14:45 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02 15:19 ` Stefan Kangas
2025-01-02 16:06 ` Alan Third
2025-01-02 16:47 ` Alan Third
2025-01-02 16:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-02 17:09 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02 17:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-02 17:25 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02 17:42 ` Alan Third
2025-01-02 17:48 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02 17:37 ` Alan Third
2025-01-02 17:46 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02 17:52 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02 19:26 ` Alan Third
2025-01-02 19:59 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02 16:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-02 7:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-02 7:58 ` Stefan Kangas
2025-01-02 7:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-02 7:30 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02 8:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-02 8:33 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02 8:41 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02 8:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-02 10:04 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02 11:03 ` Alan Third
2025-01-02 13:05 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02 13:53 ` Alan Third
2025-01-02 14:03 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02 14:17 ` Alan Third
2025-01-02 15:31 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2025-01-02 15:37 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02 15:55 ` Alan Third
2025-01-02 16:08 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02 8:51 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02 7:31 ` Stefan Kangas
2025-01-02 8:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-02 10:31 ` Michael Albinus via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
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