From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: New start up splash screen annoyance... Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 12:01:04 +0200 Message-ID: <86lkb447j3.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> References: <87sl5n5yem.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87fy1nbe4f.fsf@jurta.org> <86myvu2zw1.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <20070912093913.GB12104@saeurebad.de> <87wsuum8qw.fsf@jurta.org> <85abrn9ini.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <85d4wh3kf9.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <851wcw1qht.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1190109732 20145 80.91.229.12 (18 Sep 2007 10:02:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:02:12 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Leo Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 18 12:02:03 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IXZtM-0005YJ-0l for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 12:01:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IXZtK-0002bS-GH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 06:01:14 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IXZtE-0002VH-8p for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 06:01:08 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IXZtD-0002Tw-Pg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 06:01:07 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IXZtD-0002Tl-Mv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 06:01:07 -0400 Original-Received: from pc3.berlin.powerweb.de ([62.67.228.11]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IXZtD-0006U3-3E for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 06:01:07 -0400 Original-Received: from quinscape.de (dslnet.212-29-44.ip210.dokom.de [212.29.44.210] (may be forged)) by pc3.berlin.powerweb.de (8.9.3p3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA10228 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 12:01:03 +0200 X-Delivered-To: Original-Received: (qmail 8819 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2007 10:01:04 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (HELO lola.quinscape.zz) ([10.0.3.43]) (envelope-sender ) by ns.quinscape.de (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 18 Sep 2007 10:01:04 -0000 Original-Received: by lola.quinscape.zz (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A9DE98F8ED; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 12:01:04 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: (Leo's message of "Tue\, 18 Sep 2007 10\:30\:30 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/23.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:79184 Archived-At: Leo writes: > On 2007-09-18 06:39 +0100, David Kastrup wrote: >> There is, as far as I can see, not a _single_ person apart from you on >> this list who considers it a good idea to start Emacs with a splash >> screen when one asks it to edit a file. > > Really? I am surprised how freedom has been compromised in the realm > of Emacs. Huh? Everybody is free to edit or customize or change Emacs according to his liking and distribute the result. There is no compromise of freedom involved here. Instead, we are trying to find a consensus for a common Emacs in order to make it easier for users to pick one Emacs and stay with it. Whether or not we manage to find consensus does not impact freedom: it just would be a good thing since it makes us stronger when we are united, and when the users see themselves able to appreciate our goals. > I don't like the splash screen and I have never seen any text editor > that gets in the way of getting things done. Well, vi's habit of starting in edit mode rather than insertion mode could be called that... > Don't make Emacs a political machine. Emacs is part of the GNU project, and the GNU project has political goals. Emacs has always been a political statement as well as an editor, and there is no reason to change that. I certainly concur with Richard that the GNU project's message is important, and that Emacs is appropriate for conveying this message. Where I am in strong disagreement with him is what kind of technical measures might not rather harm than promote our goals by alienating the users. -- David Kastrup