From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Can anybody tell me how to send HTML-format mail in gnus Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 09:52:57 -0500 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <86ljz38uye.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <877iav5s49.fsf@163.com> <86hc9yc5sj.fsf@timbral.net> <877iat7udd.fsf@163.com> <87fxphcsxi.fsf@lion.rapttech.com.au> <8504ddd4-5e3b-4ed5-bf77-aa9cce81b59a@1g2000pre.googlegroups.com> <87k5esq2g2.fsf@atthis.clsnet.nl> <8663qcd7h3.fsf@timbral.net> <63cf9893-7704-4ceb-a1a0-7a549d57d05f@v1g2000pra.googlegroups.com> <86ej4zedwf.fsf@lifelogs.com> <0a21d521-cbba-4dba-8792-89a042e2b1a3@j1g2000prb.googlegroups.com> <86od43cox6.fsf@lifelogs.com> <0627b0d2-a959-4fe4-a868-f03e72aaafba@1g2000pre.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1218469259 7000 80.91.229.12 (11 Aug 2008 15:40:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:40:59 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Aug 11 17:41:51 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KSZWV-00023p-AG for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:41:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45115 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KSZVZ-0002hV-7k for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:40:33 -0400 Original-Path: news.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.albasani.net!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 52 Original-X-Trace: news.albasani.net 00WDmf7sxi+hrNVKODGwyQE3BBThnv/s5EXJmyWpPiYnn8QnYM3lQHbSCeEaF7LNZ8wg4kCcqYWLALfumJIk51qr8DOg41TY1Y2Zfzptzv1zE6nLbs3HAxJhcZtcIYo9 Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@albasani.net Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:48:05 +0000 (UTC) X-User-ID: Y9+7vOfB58MVG09DesyZCQpO7uRRypImoqxQ5EKDWzg= X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Cancel-Lock: sha1:GJuGDmSFyJUZ7EDefL4zf23F828= sha1:mkAzO46Lo9slmoTNm3fFxJWK3x0= User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-NNTP-Posting-Host: ggqLwyl4+JpBFeNSIXW8RWiQKSlX+hbUxuGYyQsbf14= Original-Xref: news.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:161111 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:56458 Archived-At: On Sat, 9 Aug 2008 12:18:05 -0700 (PDT) Xah wrote: X> On Aug 8, 12:00 pm, Ted Zlatanov wrote: >> On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 08:39:28 -0700 (PDT) Xah wrote: >> X> On Aug 8, 8:15 am, Ted Zlatanov wrote:>> On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 05:20:23 -0700 (PDT) Xah wrote: >> X> Emacs is not a commercial app, so there's not much survival X> pressure. It simply got dwindling users, more and more esoteric X> “elite” tech geekers. >> >> >> Seriously, have some perspective. Emacs has been around since before >> >> many of us were born. It's always been aimed at people who can read a >> >> manual. That's a very exclusive club if you look at people in general. >> X> well, unix's tools and “man” is also used by a exclusive club. Are you X> suggesting emacs should adopt “man” instead of info, and replace elisp X> by sed, awk, sh? >> >> No. You've merged two logical fallacies into one flawed argument. X> What's your point Ted? What is exactly your argument? X> Are you trying to say, that because emacs is very old, and it is X> designed for elite programers, therefore its email should not support X> html mail? I'm saying exactly what I said: Emacs has always been aimed at people who can read a manual. That may, to you, imply "tech geek" but I think instead it selects for users who think for themselves and don't expect answers to be spoon-fed to them. My point is that these users are not esoteric; many Emacs users I've helped over the years were regular people who simply needed a good tool for getting some tasks done. Emacs' support of HTML in sending e-mail is irrelevant to what I said. X> Honest. I took it that it is not what you mean because you are not X> that stupid, and i took it that you posted that just to fuck with X> me. So i gave you the same about unix's tool and man. Do you see now? OK, you were being sarcastic. It's hard to tell sometimes. Anyhow, my point was that the "can read a manual" club is exclusive by their willingness to learn, not by how esoteric or geeky they are. X> Hey Ted, who are you anyway? Sometimes i wonder who's behind the X> email address in newsgroups. Chances are, if i knew what they looked X> like in real life, i wouldn't have bothered to respond. LOLz. "On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog" --Peter Steiner cartoon in the New Yorker Ted