From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sam Steingold Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: message-make-sender - what's the purpose? Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2016 14:37:45 -0500 Message-ID: <86lh85dtkm.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87mvszu8e6.fsf@gnus.org> Reply-To: sds@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1451936292 21678 80.91.229.3 (4 Jan 2016 19:38:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 19:38:12 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 04 20:37:59 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aGAx3-0004Aw-GG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2016 20:37:57 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46843 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aGAx2-0002Ky-Kd for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2016 14:37:56 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41411) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aGAwy-0002Ke-5z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2016 14:37:53 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aGAwx-0005nx-1v for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2016 14:37:52 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-qg0-x229.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400d:c04::229]:34300) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aGAws-0005lg-Pe; Mon, 04 Jan 2016 14:37:46 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-qg0-x229.google.com with SMTP id 6so183790966qgy.1; Mon, 04 Jan 2016 11:37:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :return-receipt-to:reply-to:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type; bh=pb6+LnV13y23ypSBj5Sxso6b197Th+IusVsc6hQZfCQ=; b=fM4Hgzo44QGUc1V8+dF1YeIhrZymijp8/Twb33AplUvw88ju9DpD/fuzITYyznIjK/ 9W3e1Ssfz+OcCpqK78YdtDZ/Z3Mkw8XkhymNYnr4HwPEPOiCpVF6ahsCJO3XHG1rmgAw 38vzrMSdUo40As4P88vc9J0aXgsFyqJL6MlKqg9Y3IvgleD5s8iWkGvZkG7ev+5DeBdt ixLTIy9cCIUs6jqXZRZtCWdetozRH2EaidmcyJ4YkV1tvi9BI6LlrghwKDV44GAIdAkB XevPo5qYfpOkJXxAr8h2x++lAzFGf2jL9r5zOsiKyMkqChDpJOVL/EmmH+WZGPYPr4aK jxiQ== X-Received: by 10.140.222.79 with SMTP id s76mr122799589qhb.21.1451936266394; Mon, 04 Jan 2016 11:37:46 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from sdsGazPro ([69.74.59.115]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id c2sm40756904qkb.41.2016.01.04.11.37.45 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 04 Jan 2016 11:37:45 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87mvszu8e6.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Thu, 24 Dec 2015 17:19:13 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-Attribution: Sam X-Disclaimer: You should not expect anyone to agree with me. X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400d:c04::229 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:197622 Archived-At: > * Lars Ingebrigtsen [2015-12-24 17:19:13 +0100]: > > Sam Steingold writes: > >> For me (message-make-sender) returns "sds@sds-MacBook-Pro.local". >> When can this value be ever useful? > > It's not very useful, but it's supposed to be a value that the user > "can't" change, so that when posting on Usenet News, we can generate a > "more secure" Sender header to complement the user-driven From header. > For instance when doing Cancel-Lock stuff. Given the ease of change of those values (which you acknowledge by using quotes), and the no-longer-applicable history (as described by Yuri Khan), isn't it time to remove `message-make-sender' and use `user-mail-address' instead? > But I assume that your (system-name) evaluates to > "sds@sds-MacBook-Pro.local", which doesn't look very pretty, so you have > a misconfigured OS. I am not sure this is, in fact, a misconfiguration. My OOTB ubuntu has (system-name) ==> "sdsGazPro". Is this a misconfiguration too? -- Sam Steingold (http://sds.podval.org/) on Ubuntu 15.10 (wily) X 11.0.11702000 http://www.childpsy.net/ http://americancensorship.org http://jihadwatch.org http://honestreporting.com http://truepeace.org http://islamexposedonline.com Yeah, yeah, I love cats too... wanna trade recipes?