From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: history of argv (was: Re: How to do a massive unfill paragraph operation over several hundred files?) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2018 17:14:39 +0200 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Message-ID: <86lg7k2v4w.fsf@zoho.com> References: <8636ts4jz3.fsf@zoho.com> <86sh1s33xn.fsf_-_@zoho.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1538234007 28945 195.159.176.226 (29 Sep 2018 15:13:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2018 15:13:27 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 29 17:13:23 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g6Gvq-0007QY-CS for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 29 Sep 2018 17:13:22 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51288 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g6Gxw-0006hC-PF for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 29 Sep 2018 11:15:32 -0400 X-Received: by 2002:a5d:5005:: with SMTP id e5-v6mr333322wrt.24.1538234080082; Sat, 29 Sep 2018 08:14:40 -0700 (PDT) Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!143-v6no2692324wmm.0!news-out.google.com!z77-v6ni10952wmz.0!nntp.google.com!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!news.mixmin.net!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 42 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: onLrbz09yV+MU3RaxdbMkg.user.gioia.aioe.org Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org Mail-Copies-To: never X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.3 Cancel-Lock: sha1:Bm/erHlKJ+SDvwf2+2ixLB3d0qI= Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:223940 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:118066 Archived-At: Skip Montanaro wrote: >> BTW I always thought, without thinking about >> it, that "argv" is a convention in and from >> the C programming language! But Lisp is >> older than C (1958 to 1972; Elisp in >> particular tho a 1985 youngster) so perhaps >> it is the other way around? > > Though Lisp is older than C, it hasn't been > static that entire time. It's not surprising > to me that particular implementations would > adapt to the ecosystems in which they are > dropped (especially, as with Unix, that > becomes the largest installed base for > a couple decades), then pick those > adaptations up and take them to other > environments. I suspect that if Multics was > still the main Emacs ecosystem, we'd see > Multics-like names at the boundaries. > In fact, they might be there and I just don't > recognize them. Riiight... so it *is* from C? Multics was first released in 1969 while work started at MIT as early as 1965 [1]. The first Unix manual was published in 1971 and it appeared outside of Bell in 1973. Work on Unix started in 1969. The word "Unix" should be a pun/joke on "Multics", right? Because Multics was supposed to be multi-user, only wasn't, while Unix, despite its name, is... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multics -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573