From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Multi-tty design (Re: Reordering etc/NEWS) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 09:41:14 +0200 Message-ID: <86k5vazg85.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> References: <464835DE.3020007@lorentey.hu> <86y7jrr8rx.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <86lkfrr3s6.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <86d513r2i1.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <861whjr097.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <200705141648.l4EGmmvW007675@oogie-boogie.ics.uci.edu> <85bqgngvos.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <200705141819.l4EIJLPr009832@oogie-boogie.ics.uci.edu> <85ps53fcm0.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <200705142004.l4EK4DHg012188@oogie-boogie.ics.uci.edu> <85lkfrf91x.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <200705142102.l4EL2pHK013655@oogie-boogie.ics.uci.edu> <858xbrf64t.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <200705142213.l4EMDBlm015577@oogie-boogie.ics.uci.edu> <85mz07dori.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <200705142250.l4EMo6qa016494@oogie-boogie.ics.uci.edu> <4648EB3A.7050106@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1179214919 13250 80.91.229.12 (15 May 2007 07:41:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 07:41:59 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue May 15 09:41:58 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HnrfR-00075V-N9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 09:41:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HnrnG-0003uu-PJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 03:50:02 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HnrnE-0003uf-5w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 03:50:00 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HnrnC-0003sr-Nx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 03:49:59 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HnrnC-0003so-Ji for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 03:49:58 -0400 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1HnrfK-0005IB-JH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 03:41:51 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Hnrf1-0003rr-EW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 09:41:31 +0200 Original-Received: from pd95b0fdb.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([217.91.15.219]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 15 May 2007 09:41:31 +0200 Original-Received: from dak by pd95b0fdb.dip0.t-ipconnect.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 15 May 2007 09:41:31 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 50 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pd95b0fdb.dip0.t-ipconnect.de User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/23.0.51 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:UCN2QbgHFvWRaFd8P8VQ+252Q0g= X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:71094 Archived-At: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" writes: > Dan Nicolaescu wrote: > >> emacsclient -t started fine for me and it is fully functional, colors >> appear as expected. > > It looked to me like you were very close to start working on the > problem David noticed. What makes you think so? > Now you have got into a difficult situation. It would at least > impress me if you two were able to revert that situation. I reverted it. But I don't find it impressive to leave obvious bugs in the code in order to hide other bugs. > It is not impossible, but possibly rather difficult to turn this > into something good for both of you (and the rest of us). After all > we are all human beeings, trying to do the best we can. This was about _refraining_ from doing the best one can. I pointed out a problem where the code was not working as designed. I also dug up all Lisp callers that might be responsible for that and listed them. There was not a single word of interest into either looking into the code I touched or the code I pinpointed. There was not a single comment upon my proposal for fixing the _design_ (which leads to inconsistent, and overly complex behavior because it tries to differentiate an environment variable set based on _another_ concept of "terminal-local" that does not consider, say, two frames on the same tty or X display as being on the same terminal). Indeed, Dan explicitly said that he was deleting any comment on the design since he was not interested in it. All he was interested in was in reverting to the previous broken state. Nobody else was interested in following up on the problems, so that is it. I am not interested in getting no feedback but abuse for bothering about a problem area. I don't have the resources to fix all of it myself, and if nobody else can be bothered to do anything but complain, there is no point in even starting. So I guess it is completely up to Károly to get this working or not. -- David Kastrup