From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Suggestion: Let the help command load autoloaded functions etc Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:08:10 +0200 Message-ID: <86k5fmozmt.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> References: <47696238.6050601@gmail.com> <476B7BA6.80903@gmail.com> <476B990A.80602@gnu.org> <476BE7C7.2020005@gmail.com> <487DCD68.8050108@gmail.com> <86skuap092.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <487DD512.8080608@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216206514 11922 80.91.229.12 (16 Jul 2008 11:08:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 11:08:34 +0000 (UTC) Cc: jasonr@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Lennart Borgman \(gmail\)" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 16 13:09:21 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KJ4sk-0002z0-Gx for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:09:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36841 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KJ4rs-0006Ss-5Y for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 07:08:20 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KJ4rn-0006Sn-Tf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 07:08:15 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KJ4rl-0006SS-KM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 07:08:14 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=40748 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KJ4rl-0006SP-DO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 07:08:13 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.quinscape.de ([212.29.44.217]:50810) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KJ4rl-00010B-6p for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 07:08:13 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail-ldap/ctrl 23409 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2008 11:08:10 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (HELO lola.quinscape.zz) ([10.0.3.43]) (envelope-sender ) by quinx.quinscape.de (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 16 Jul 2008 11:08:10 -0000 Original-Received: by lola.quinscape.zz (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 736548F046; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:08:10 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <487DD512.8080608@gmail.com> (Lennart Borgman's message of "Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:01:38 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-AntiVirus: checked by AntiVir MailGate (version: 2.1.3-2; AVE: 7.8.0.68; VDF: 7.0.5.124; host: quinx) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:100798 Archived-At: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" writes: > David Kastrup wrote: >> "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" writes: >> >>> Richard Stallman wrote: >>>> A little milder suggestion just because it is close to X-max: >>>> How about adding a link that loads the library, something like >>>> replacing >>>> >>>> [Arg list not available until function definition is loaded.] >>>> >>>> with >>>> >>>> [Arg list not available, _click to load function library_.] >>>> >>>> That would be an ok feature, since it would not do anything automatically. >>> I forgot this, here is a path for it. Could someone please look at it >>> and install it if it looks ok? >> >> I think the connection in the text between first and second part may be >> nonobvious to non-specialists. How about >> >> [To see Arg list, _click for loading xxx_] >> >> With xxx being the autoloaded file name. > > I think that will be too long. How about this: > > [To see Arg list, _click for loading library above_] I think it will usually be longer... And "library above" takes too much of a double-take, _if_ you don't want the library name, just "library" will likely be sufficient. Or even just "_click for loading_". -- David Kastrup