From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal: new default bindings for winner and windmove Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2024 15:46:53 +0300 Message-ID: <86jzi4c66a.fsf@gnu.org> References: <875xto7lbn.fsf@dancol.org> <86ed8ce2mh.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="14316"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: dancol@dancol.org, stefankangas@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Juri Linkov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 02 14:47:27 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sOcut-0003UT-Dk for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 02 Jul 2024 14:47:27 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sOcuR-0000vK-Ll; Tue, 02 Jul 2024 08:46:59 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sOcuP-0000uv-FE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Jul 2024 08:46:57 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sOcuO-0001VC-Gf; Tue, 02 Jul 2024 08:46:56 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=HdBB5h20/7JzCHQZywtpaluJ0l26q2/ZPyaW1dQpTzg=; b=lOIChTwRMvlp SiKjrduRZsJ+flmK1w+CKYjAaSj6zyg2KCRz078wCmfUeeMDdlhkt9jAMNO3oXyoCvv34K7oNc3IK NiyAfuw8WYoSmgYzqg7U0FFAXHTmdXFHs3RIWRBX1yJATK4O1jdFsX1MNJasN1lbVgL1dmo3xdL4u UhxtSy27WhDRx2tHvqIuT9/x8gro6898DouiMtA5KErZPeNy8axNE1Zy5rFjTSUpxnMhsh8Nxclz5 MYUuYHWnpd7DPZlHbZ8s5EIgq00NUwJB78v08HA4AnZPfP+auskUeGGQNkekjg4gFFgbMdTsTQ79G d9EL831N+VUEA//3jPD8hA==; In-Reply-To: <86ed8ce2mh.fsf@mail.linkov.net> (message from Juri Linkov on Tue, 02 Jul 2024 09:50:38 +0300) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:321139 Archived-At: > From: Juri Linkov > Cc: Stefan Kangas , Stefan Monnier > , emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2024 09:50:38 +0300 > > >> Thus, I don't think I see any compelling reason not to go ahead with > >> this change. I would propose that we now start discussing the specifics > >> of how to go about doing that (patches, proposed alternative solutions). > > > > How's this? > > > > +@kindex C-x 4 LEFT > > +@kindex C-x 4 RIGHT > > +@kindex C-x 4 UP > > +@kindex C-x 4 DOWN > > I can't believe someone might want to use such long key sequences > for one of the most frequent actions. It's even longer than > 'C-x o' it's supposed to improve. I think there are no better keys > for switching windows than arrows with a modifier. You don't need to use them if you don't like them. windmove offers other, much shorter, bindings as an option. I don't see a reason to argue about this aspect of the proposal.