From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Question about `cond*' Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2024 10:12:06 +0300 Message-ID: <86jzepzmm1.fsf@gnu.org> References: <864j5v3jdd.fsf@gnu.org> <8734lfhet5.fsf@posteo.net> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="10582"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: philipk@posteo.net, michelangelo.rodriguez@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 03 09:13:12 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1swG1Q-0002av-4m for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 03 Oct 2024 09:13:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1swG0Z-00029c-KN; Thu, 03 Oct 2024 03:12:19 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1swG0Y-00029Q-2c for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Oct 2024 03:12:18 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1swG0V-0006wh-Nb; Thu, 03 Oct 2024 03:12:15 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=HU2RNLIPfCpyKQW1Q56mTKquTIiHNDb9wGScbVyIoXY=; b=m9HTXd/Wonzn lKYbTl6TxpZ/BJRaYRrl6c0jClB/KGF1h3HL1KSBpyNnicx9Suvrj8FMfnVSZObduX+Fv0y5342lJ 4bEBXUBKefnVi+0X96cA9CxXmNOoSa56v/4Vl8nA/9MxrSw8egn0xEqOevB36i36fS4Powag431yl e2NrlbGoTp7HdhmyWFNLFJTJAGkKS6Xn6FGW015iP6FVyOnBiUmHL1kSb+Hfgk28Gy0fvR9GNp3BJ grilfop4yypQSpuSMp0hik/uPIGKHkqCdBILd+cFVIM9I2uzJrlfQtZOwwYyNTYLdTtTCY2qno5uj vGodpkNDBM80blDeKRqasA==; In-Reply-To: (message from Richard Stallman on Wed, 02 Oct 2024 23:35:20 -0400) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:324270 Archived-At: > From: Richard Stallman > Cc: michelangelo.rodriguez@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2024 23:35:20 -0400 > > > I can only assume it was a mistake. The question is should the feature > > be called `cond-star' or `cond*'. > > I think `cond*' is a more natural name for the feature. > That is what users will think of -- to do (require 'cont-star) > would require a little extra bit of trivial knowledge. > > I called the file `cond-star.el' to avoid the inconvenience that > an asterisk in the file name could cause. But it woukd be better > if users did not have to know that file name. If we provide 'cond*' as the feature, (require 'cond*) will not work unless Lisp programs also specify the file name. So this gets us the need to know the file name back through a back-door anyway. > `cond*' really ought to be preloaded. I don't see a need to preload it at this time, for the same reason we don't preload pcase and other macros: they are not necessarily needed right at the beginning of a session, and not used in any preloaded code. I think we should first consider autoloading cond*, before we talk about preloading it.