From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Initial splash screen Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 13:43:01 +0200 Message-ID: <86ir9gi5a2.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> References: <4679F561.4030600@hacksaw.org> <87d4zomyiw.fsf@red-bean.com> <87fy4kjy0k.fsf@red-bean.com> <467AF6CC.2000300@gnu.org> <86ejk4jtno.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <87ir9g70eo.fsf_-_@escher.local.home> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1182512601 15903 80.91.229.12 (22 Jun 2007 11:43:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 11:43:21 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stephen Berman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 22 13:43:18 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1I1hXk-0007bq-By for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 13:43:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I1hXj-0004CN-Rl for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 07:43:11 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1I1hXf-0004C0-0D for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 07:43:07 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1I1hXc-0004Bm-D9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 07:43:05 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I1hXc-0004Bj-9n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 07:43:04 -0400 Original-Received: from pc3.berlin.powerweb.de ([62.67.228.11]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1I1hXb-0007yN-NK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 07:43:04 -0400 Original-Received: from quinscape.de (dslnet.212-29-44.ip210.dokom.de [212.29.44.210] (may be forged)) by pc3.berlin.powerweb.de (8.9.3p3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA16829 for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 13:42:58 +0200 X-Delivered-To: Original-Received: (qmail 3122 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2007 11:43:02 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (HELO lola.quinscape.zz) ([10.0.3.43]) (envelope-sender ) by ns.quinscape.de (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 22 Jun 2007 11:43:02 -0000 Original-Received: by lola.quinscape.zz (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 0C099F9DD1; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 13:43:02 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <87ir9g70eo.fsf_-_@escher.local.home> (Stephen Berman's message of "Fri\, 22 Jun 2007 12\:23\:43 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/23.0.51 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:73607 Archived-At: Stephen Berman writes: > On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 10:11:07 +0200 David Kastrup wrote: > >> Sascha Wilde writes: >> >>> Jason Rumney wrote: >>> >>>> How about if Emacs left the splash screen as the active buffer if there >>>> were no files listed on the command-line, until the user deliberately >>>> switches buffers (either with C-x C-f to edit a new file, or C-x b to >>>> *scratch*) >>> >>> Please don't. There is nothing more useless than a splash screen -- >>> there is a good reason, that we have inhibit-splash-screen. >> >> By the way: I think that our choice of having the splash screen >> displayed by default even when Emacs is called with a file name is a >> mistake. Even more so if the same happens when using emacsclient. > > This may have been suggested before (I haven't searched the archives > for it), but since the issue has been raised again, what about this: > show the splash screen the first time the user invokes Emacs (even > with a file name) and ask whether to show it on the next invocation. This is a bad idea since the splash screen contains quite a bit of _useful_ information, and starting Emacs without a filename gives us a frame where nothing useful can be displayed yet. So there is no point in not showing the splash screen indefinitely if we are called without file name. But _with_ a file name, the situation is different, and we should cater for it differently. The same, incidentally, would hold in my opinion when using desktop.el to restore a desktop: again, we have then a buffer displaying useful information. -- David Kastrup