From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: carbon build hangs on startup Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 19:56:49 -0700 Message-ID: <86ir5i1fgu.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> References: <200710062009.l96K9uNb021892@oogie-boogie.ics.uci.edu> <864ph32cds.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1191812227 12373 80.91.229.12 (8 Oct 2007 02:57:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 02:57:07 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 08 04:57:04 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Ieinl-0005df-AW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 08 Oct 2007 04:57:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ieinf-0003B3-Sv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 07 Oct 2007 22:56:55 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ieinc-00036o-AE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Oct 2007 22:56:52 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ieinb-00035U-Hm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Oct 2007 22:56:51 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ieinb-00035O-Ff for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Oct 2007 22:56:51 -0400 Original-Received: from blue.stonehenge.com ([209.223.236.162]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Ieinb-0005RR-8H for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Oct 2007 22:56:51 -0400 Original-Received: by blue.stonehenge.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7B83E1DE588; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 19:56:49 -0700 (PDT) x-mayan-date: Long count = 12.19.14.12.18; tzolkin = 13 Etznab; haab = 6 Yax In-Reply-To: (YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu's message of "Mon, 08 Oct 2007 10:27:20 +0900") User-Agent: Gnus/5.1008 (Gnus v5.10.8) Emacs/21.4 (berkeley-unix) X-Detected-Kernel: OpenBSD 3.0-3.9 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:80397 Archived-At: >>>>> "YAMAMOTO" == YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu writes: >> For some meaning of "work". I don't fire up X11 on my mac more than >> once every month or two. But I use Carbon Emacs every day... it's >> essential in my workflow. YAMAMOTO> We've at last got an official release version (22.1) for that. I had YAMAMOTO> spent much time and effort for this version. Yes, I'm using the 22.1 version. YAMAMOTO> Of course it's up to you whether to make such a plea. But keep in YAMAMOTO> mind that developers' time and effort for multi-tty and Unicode YAMAMOTO> support on the Carbon port might be wasted if the Cocoa/GNUStep port YAMAMOTO> becomes good enough for Emacs 23. I don't think it's a good idea to YAMAMOTO> invest them in catching up with the trunk NOW. YAMAMOTO> The situation is different from that of pre-22: we have a brand-new YAMAMOTO> first stable release version running on the Mac native window system YAMAMOTO> and ordinary Mac users don't need to use the CVS version, there's an YAMAMOTO> alternative, and the next major release does not happen too soon. So, you're saying that there will be a non-X11 version of Emacs for OSX in the works, even though it's not usable just yet? Do you have an idea of when it might be usable? -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training!