From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: eshell-defgroup. Do we really need this? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:101923 Archived-At: On Fri, 01 Aug 2008 19:08:04 +0200 Romain Francoise wrote: RF> Hi Ted, RF> Ted Zlatanov writes: >> Romain, can you set up build failures to be aggregated? I can set >> up buildbot (send me your setup if you can) for a confirmation >> run; if both our builds fail then the Emacs CVS trunk is probably >> broken. RF> My experience with running this buildbot (and others) suggests that RF> there is little value in doing this; buildbot does a clean build RF> every time so if it fails then we can be fairly sure that CVS is RF> broken. You think so even considering the large amount of people that would get this report? I'd rather be cautious and have at least one confirmation of the failure before reporting it. But, of course, it's your choice--as long as we report something. RF> I'm not sure which platform you were offering to build on, but the RF> standard way to set up a buildbot is to have a master instance with RF> one builder per platform, say one for Debian, one for Windows, one RF> for Mac OS X, etc. The instance at http://emacsbuild.orebokech.com/ RF> only has builders for Debian etch, having more would be nice. I can set mine up on Ubuntu 6.x and 7.x and MacOS X. Send me your buildbot config so I know we're doing the same things. It's probably good to publicize these, actually, so others can set up Emacs buildbots easily. Maybe the Emacs wiki would be a good place to post the config? RF> Builds are time-based at the moment: every six hours. And it RF> already sends mail only when the state changes, I made that change RF> at Martin's request (it's not standard buildbot behavior). Great :) RF> While we're on this topic, I should note that a few weeks ago I RF> changed the configuration of the builders to do an additional build RF> with --without-x, it breaks often and can go unnoticed for some time RF> because relatively few people configure Emacs that way. Excellent. I'll do --with-ns, --without-x, and --with-x on MacOS X and just the latter two on the Ubuntu systems. Ted