From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?UTF-8?B?TGx1w61z?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Tweaking t-m-m to make room for d-s-m Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 21:19:20 +0200 Message-ID: <86iq8dzkg7.wl%lluis@ginnungagap.pc.ac.upc.edu> References: <87sk7pzqsp.fsf@ambire.localdomain> <20100326092833.19294vuz9efv5qg4@webmail.mnet-online.de> <33DBCF2DFF71401DB0861E66EC29ED2B@us.oracle.com> <5F1D87251C98412EADC1187ABFCC3E8D@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1269976779 9608 80.91.229.12 (30 Mar 2010 19:19:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 19:19:39 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 30 21:19:35 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NwgyN-00068e-62 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 21:19:35 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49072 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NwgyM-000747-Ka for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 15:19:34 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NwgyJ-000742-7x for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 15:19:31 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=42459 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NwgyH-00073u-FO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 15:19:30 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NwgyE-0004ku-Q1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 15:19:29 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]:43145) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NwgyE-0004ki-Dy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 15:19:26 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 30 Mar 2010 19:19:24 -0000 Original-Received: from gw.ac.upc.edu (EHLO localhost) [147.83.30.3] by mail.gmx.net (mp008) with SMTP; 30 Mar 2010 21:19:24 +0200 X-Authenticated: #12333383 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+zTwkFy+Kzj+i63VrTygTRAigQTfL2hNfbpNU384 gf48DLlyYVU6fB In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.9 (=?UTF-8?B?R29qxY0=?=) APEL/10.7 Emacs/24.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MULE/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.73999999999999999 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:122934 Archived-At: > No, I do not think so for several reasons: > - It is not as easy to type for `undo' if your are used to using C-z for that. > - It is not necessarily as easy to type on an international keyboard. I think the latter is a real pain on most "keyboard-intensive" editors, as much of their bindings were designed with an english keyboard in mind. Thus I think that trying to get away from "special" characters (which I think show the greater "position variance" across layouts) in commonly used commands is a good thing if you want to homogenize "comfort" across different keyboard layouts. Of course, such kinds of changes are always disruptive, but probably also decrease the chance of users changing those to bindings that might collide with other already-existing modules. -- "And it's much the same thing with knowledge, for whenever you learn something new, the whole world becomes that much richer." -- The Princess of Pure Reason, as told by Norton Juster in The Phantom Tollbooth