From: Alain Schneble <a.s@realize.ch>
To: Phillip Lord <phillip.lord@russet.org.uk>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] feature/integrated-elpa 4f6df43 15/23: README added
Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2016 12:25:17 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <86int3qgs2.fsf@realize.ch> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87a8egw2az.fsf@russet.org.uk> (Phillip Lord's message of "Fri, 07 Oct 2016 17:29:08 +0100")
phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord) writes:
> Alain Schneble <a.s@realize.ch> writes:
>>> Not if we are using package.el to make the packages available. It is
>>> package.el which sets the load path, loads the autoloads file, that sort
>>> of thing.
>>
>> After all, what would we gain from using package.el to do this
>> bootstrapping for the ELPA core packages?
>
> Packages in already in package.el format can be directly used within
> Emacs. This requires no changes in the file layout, and means that
> packages will only be built with a single system (i.e. both Emacs core
> and ELPA will be build with package.el).
Core libraries not from ELPA (e.g. url) will still be compiled using
non-package.el build. So after all, we still have the "core library
build" approach. Again, my point is to use that approach also for ELPA
core packages. I would rather stick to that instead of introducing a
hybrid approach in Emacs core just to support ELPA core packages.
> As a secondary benefit, this means I can build and test an ELPA checkout
> directly as part of the Emacs build, which should be useful for finding
> regressions.
Sticking to the core directory layout wouldn't imply that this is not
possible. We could again copy the files before the tests are run or
provide support for a development-time structure that more adheres to
the package.el structure.
>> If I understand correctly, finder.el does populate package--builtins
>> already today, based on the files and directories in ./lisp. Just
>> automatically fetching all ELPA core packages from the corresponding
>> git repository (or repositories?), extracting and moving files to the
>> proper Emacs directories wouldn't require any (or much) additional
>> logic on that level. Do I miss something here?
>
> If it all works, no. But I see no benefit from doing this.
I see the benefit that the release tarball directory layout will be
cleaner.
> It also, of course, means that files from ELPA would now be duplicated
> in core Emacs because they would have been copied. So, when developing
> Emacs, there would be version controlled .el source files and
> non-version controlled copied .el files in the same location. You would
> have to remember to edit the former, but not the latter.
I'm primarily concerned about changing the release tarball layout.
Again, if copying files really is a problem we could support a
development-time layout that removes this duplication.
>>> So would I, but that is not the directory layout for core. It is for package.el.
>>
>> I would still move tests into ./test/automated/, for example. And now
>> if I think of it, it would probably make sense to move resource files
>> (static data such as icons, schemas etc.) into ./etc/ and not into
>> ./lisp/? Is that where such files of non-ELPA, built-in libraries are
>> put in Emacs today?
>
> Yes, resource files are in ./etc
Thanks.
Alain
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2016-09-16 22:43 ` [Emacs-diffs] feature/integrated-elpa 4f6df43 15/23: README added Stefan Monnier
2016-09-17 7:41 ` Phillip Lord
2016-09-17 16:00 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-09-17 21:25 ` Phillip Lord
2016-09-18 16:15 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-09-18 18:33 ` Phillip Lord
2016-09-17 21:52 ` John Wiegley
2016-09-18 13:30 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-09-18 18:36 ` Phillip Lord
2016-09-18 19:45 ` John Wiegley
2016-09-18 22:59 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-09-19 8:48 ` Phillip Lord
2016-09-19 14:11 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-09-19 16:00 ` Phillip Lord
2016-09-19 16:36 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-09-21 20:26 ` John Wiegley
2016-09-22 12:54 ` Phillip Lord
2016-09-22 15:19 ` John Wiegley
2016-09-23 14:55 ` Phillip Lord
2016-09-23 16:31 ` John Wiegley
2016-09-26 16:28 ` Phillip Lord
2016-09-26 19:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-09-27 16:01 ` Phillip Lord
2016-09-28 15:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-09-29 9:00 ` Phillip Lord
2016-09-29 15:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-09-29 16:38 ` John Wiegley
2016-09-30 10:43 ` Phillip Lord
2016-09-30 11:20 ` Alain Schneble
2016-09-30 12:39 ` Phillip Lord
2016-09-30 11:56 ` Alain Schneble
2016-09-30 12:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-09-30 12:41 ` Phillip Lord
2016-09-30 13:24 ` Alain Schneble
2016-09-30 16:17 ` Phillip Lord
2016-09-30 20:02 ` Alain Schneble
2016-10-03 12:32 ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-03 16:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-05 6:28 ` Alain Schneble
2016-10-05 15:23 ` Drew Adams
2016-10-07 16:15 ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-08 14:58 ` Drew Adams
2016-10-09 20:30 ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-07 16:11 ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-08 10:43 ` Alain Schneble
2016-10-09 20:17 ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-08 14:58 ` Drew Adams
2016-10-08 17:35 ` Colin Baxter
2016-10-09 20:20 ` Phillip Lord
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2016-10-09 21:35 ` Drew Adams
2016-10-12 14:02 ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-12 15:24 ` Drew Adams
2016-10-08 19:40 ` John Wiegley
2016-10-09 20:25 ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-10 3:03 ` John Wiegley
2016-10-12 13:53 ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-12 16:29 ` John Wiegley
2016-10-13 10:40 ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-13 17:14 ` John Wiegley
2016-10-13 18:21 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-13 18:48 ` John Wiegley
2016-10-14 8:11 ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-05 7:25 ` Alain Schneble
2016-10-07 16:29 ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-08 10:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-08 10:57 ` Alain Schneble
2016-10-08 11:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-08 11:41 ` Alain Schneble
2016-10-08 12:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-08 13:33 ` Alain Schneble
2016-10-08 14:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-09 20:42 ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-10 6:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-12 14:07 ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-12 16:30 ` John Wiegley
2016-10-13 10:47 ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-13 17:14 ` John Wiegley
2016-10-13 21:54 ` Alain Schneble
2016-10-13 22:09 ` Alain Schneble
2016-10-13 22:29 ` John Wiegley
2016-10-14 6:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-14 8:25 ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-14 9:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-15 17:41 ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-15 18:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-14 8:23 ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-14 9:15 ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-14 8:20 ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-14 8:49 ` Alain Schneble
2016-10-14 9:25 ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-14 9:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-14 13:51 ` Andy Moreton
2016-10-14 14:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-14 15:12 ` Andy Moreton
2016-10-14 15:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-14 16:47 ` John Wiegley
2016-10-15 12:01 ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-15 12:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-15 13:34 ` Achim Gratz
2016-10-15 14:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-15 14:53 ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-15 15:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-18 10:52 ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-18 11:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-18 13:33 ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-18 14:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-18 16:43 ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-18 17:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-18 18:48 ` Achim Gratz
2016-10-18 19:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-19 7:51 ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-19 8:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-19 9:31 ` Alain Schneble
2016-10-19 9:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-19 9:51 ` Alain Schneble
2016-10-19 10:25 ` Alain Schneble
2016-10-19 15:19 ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-19 19:21 ` Alain Schneble
2016-10-19 20:24 ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-19 20:57 ` Alain Schneble
2016-10-19 22:35 ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-20 9:42 ` Alain Schneble
2016-10-20 7:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-19 15:14 ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-19 17:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-19 15:09 ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-19 15:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-19 16:12 ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-19 17:40 ` Ted Zlatanov
2016-10-19 18:59 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-19 19:57 ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-19 20:32 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-10-19 22:38 ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-20 7:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2016-10-19 21:17 ` Alain Schneble
2016-10-19 21:25 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-10-20 10:01 ` Alain Schneble
2016-10-19 22:52 ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-20 18:05 ` Achim Gratz
2016-10-19 18:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-19 19:47 ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-20 7:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-19 18:26 ` Achim Gratz
2016-10-19 18:51 ` Alain Schneble
2016-10-19 19:24 ` Achim Gratz
2016-10-19 20:13 ` Alain Schneble
2016-10-20 7:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-20 6:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-19 19:33 ` Alain Schneble
2016-10-19 20:13 ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-19 21:56 ` John Wiegley
2016-10-19 23:03 ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-20 8:35 ` Michael Albinus
2016-10-20 6:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-15 17:18 ` Achim Gratz
2016-10-18 10:54 ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-18 18:54 ` Achim Gratz
2016-10-19 8:01 ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-15 17:08 ` Achim Gratz
2016-10-15 17:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-18 10:59 ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-18 11:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-18 13:37 ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-18 14:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-18 14:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-17 23:09 ` John Wiegley
2016-10-18 6:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-18 13:01 ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-18 14:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-18 16:59 ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-18 17:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-19 7:54 ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-18 18:08 ` John Wiegley
2016-10-19 7:59 ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-18 14:04 ` Andy Moreton
2016-10-15 11:51 ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-15 12:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-15 11:48 ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-09 20:38 ` [Emacs-diffs] " Phillip Lord
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2016-10-08 10:25 ` Alain Schneble [this message]
2016-09-30 13:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-09-30 12:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-09-30 13:06 ` Phillip Lord
2016-09-30 13:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-09-30 16:22 ` Phillip Lord
2016-09-30 17:30 ` John Wiegley
2016-10-03 12:33 ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-03 16:13 ` John Wiegley
2016-09-29 16:53 ` John Wiegley
2016-09-29 17:06 ` Drew Adams
2016-09-29 17:13 ` John Wiegley
2016-09-30 10:49 ` Phillip Lord
2016-09-30 14:20 ` Drew Adams
2016-09-30 16:25 ` Phillip Lord
2016-09-30 10:44 ` Phillip Lord
2016-09-21 20:42 ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-09-22 12:49 ` Phillip Lord
2016-09-22 17:43 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-09-23 14:49 ` Phillip Lord
2016-09-23 15:36 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-09-26 16:23 ` Phillip Lord
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