From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: CVE-2017-14482 - Red Hat Customer Portal Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2017 23:49:10 +0200 Message-ID: <86ing630vd.fsf@zoho.com> References: <2e991bb7-c570-49ce-be94-3654945bb4b5@mousecar.com> <87d16jxjz6.fsf@eps142.cdf.udc.es> <861smzcgx3.fsf@zoho.com> <1b3bec6e-d4d5-37a7-ba54-49bd2d8281bd@yandex.com> <86k20qbcu9.fsf@zoho.com> <86o9q0a8zc.fsf@zoho.com> <87vak8rwcx.fsf@qcore> <867ewnae8k.fsf@zoho.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1506376193 21980 195.159.176.226 (25 Sep 2017 21:49:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2017 21:49:53 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 25 23:49:49 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dwbG7-0005FW-LZ for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 25 Sep 2017 23:49:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44416 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dwbGD-0006Fc-4w for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 25 Sep 2017 17:49:53 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46023) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dwbFk-0006D3-J1 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Sep 2017 17:49:25 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dwbFh-00029t-Ek for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Sep 2017 17:49:24 -0400 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=34128 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dwbFh-00029Z-7E for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Sep 2017 17:49:21 -0400 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dwbFW-0002xR-J5 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Sep 2017 23:49:10 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-Lines: 37 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org Mail-Copies-To: never Cancel-Lock: sha1:dsSl7zcjr/x+lKpAH958ZLfZ3So= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:114400 Archived-At: Mario Castelán Castro wrote: > This is the prevalent attitude among > programmers Perhaps because it makes sense? It is known as "conventional wisdom". > we are showered by an endless stream of > security patches and bug fixes. Yes, and what is the problem with that? >> If I'd send the space fleet to the oldest >> galaxies of the universe, I'd like all >> methods anyone could think of to make as >> sure as possible the software is correct. >> >> I'd start with very skilled and motivated >> programmers, proceed with sound programming >> practices, then code review, and then >> excessive testing. >> >> I suppose formal verification would be >> a distant fourth. > > Well, then it is a very good thing that you > are NOT in charge of designing that piece > of software. What do you mean "not in charge"? http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/sounds/up.mp3 -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573