From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: what has the face `message-separator' *really* done for us? Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2019 14:53:30 +0100 Message-ID: <86imwhli91.fsf@zoho.eu> References: <86a7huom0w.fsf@zoho.eu> <86sgvmmg84.fsf@zoho.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="159701"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Mar 17 14:54:00 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1h5WEi-000fQA-B5 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 17 Mar 2019 14:54:00 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55962 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1h5WEg-0006hI-UP for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 17 Mar 2019 09:53:58 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:57633) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1h5WEP-0006fo-CB for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 17 Mar 2019 09:53:42 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1h5WEN-0000Zi-Qp for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 17 Mar 2019 09:53:41 -0400 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=56396 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1h5WEN-0000ZC-Fw for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 17 Mar 2019 09:53:39 -0400 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1h5WEK-000f0H-MI for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 17 Mar 2019 14:53:36 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Cancel-Lock: sha1:wFSgqo1bysrfy32Lckr1BqHR9Go= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:119645 Archived-At: Damien Collard wrote: > Sorry, I meant that the face > `message-separator` does affect the (textual) > message separator (which in my case is the > default "--text follows this line--"; > controlled by `message-header-separator`). OK, first, thanks for your help! I don't have `message-header-separator'. But I do have `mail-header-separator' which seems similar in purpose and effect Its value is "---" Original value was "--text follows this line--" Maybe this is why why the face `message-separator' won't affect it? But if so, then again what *does* it affect? Is there a subtle difference between "mail" and "message"? What is the correct Emacs-world terminology? I use the Message mode for Gmane, Usenet *and* mail. This is how I open/compose a new, blank message/mail: (defun new-message (&optional force) (interactive "P") (message (format "%s" force)) (if (or (not (eq major-mode 'message-mode)) force) (progn (unless (gnus-alive-p) (gnus)) (gnus-post-news 'post "") ) (message "Did nothing. Use C-u to force.") )) ; [1] Versions: Gnus v5.13 GNU Emacs 24.4.1 (arm-unknown-linux-gnueabihf, GTK+ Version 3.14.5) of 2017-09-13 on mb-lxc-01, modified by Debian [1] line 70 @ http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/emacs-init/gnus/gnus-my.el -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573