From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: debug-ignored-errors usage Date: Sat, 04 May 2019 01:06:50 +0200 Message-ID: <86imuruohh.fsf@zoho.eu> References: <86ef5gw97l.fsf@zoho.eu> <874l6ci60b.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <86a7g4w4t0.fsf@zoho.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="138611"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat May 04 01:07:18 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hMhGv-000Zm2-N3 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 04 May 2019 01:07:17 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48276 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hMhGu-0002l3-Mb for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 03 May 2019 19:07:16 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:47178) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hMhGf-0002kk-3N for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 03 May 2019 19:07:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hMhGd-0003wt-OR for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 03 May 2019 19:07:01 -0400 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=53512 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hMhGd-0003wM-GW for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 03 May 2019 19:06:59 -0400 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hMhGa-000ZAW-5W for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 04 May 2019 01:06:56 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Cancel-Lock: sha1:j5jL7F/u8cv74PUUdsaKXkH9Y0M= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:120177 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier wrote: > In the case of beginning-of-buffer, the error > is usually not due to a problem in the code, > but a problem in the user's action, which is > why it's placed in debug-ignored-errors > (there's usually no point entering the > debugger for that condition since it does not > reflect a bug that we'd want to track down). > [...] > > Many/most commands try to make sure that > *something* happens in response to the > command, so the user knows that the command > was indeed executed. Echoing is one way to do > that when the command wouldn't do anything > else otherwise. In a kitchen, if you pull out a drawer, and at some point it won't come out any longer because of some small built-in brake flaps or whatever to prevent it from falling down on the floor if pulled too far - and all this works, so it stops in good order - is this a) an error, b) something that needs to be communicated explicitly to the kitchen operator, or c) something else? IMO the echo area is far too chatty and only writing this I noticed several messages that are of no value to me. To take another example than those mentioned: "Auto-saving...done" and "Mark set". In what way(s) do I benefit from seeing them? -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573