From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Is Elisp really that slow? Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2019 03:27:33 +0200 Message-ID: <86imtmxhq2.fsf@zoho.eu> References: <20190516161408.4dov3dwk5h4yoizn@Ergus> <838sv6cmwt.fsf@gnu.org> <20190516202327.5cgy2s4kppy3ahxa@Ergus> <871s0yqg2i.fsf@telefonica.net> <3210C8E9-7A74-47D6-81A0-470948E6D09C@gmail.com> <87r28xq0j1.fsf@telefonica.net> <576240a5-c92a-5cf8-898b-43f214a2b580@yandex.ru> <83imu9beyn.fsf@gnu.org> <8463581c-c40f-a66a-5c9c-0995a3b45cd0@yandex.ru> <83bm01b83i.fsf@gnu.org> <20190517125657.og5cpc5ty7mjdyhw@Ergus> <03f9146b-bb42-4001-a492-ea9fc11ce36e@default> Reply-To: Emanuel Berg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="257962"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 04 03:30:25 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hXyHP-0014t6-8r for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 04 Jun 2019 03:30:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43414 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hXyHN-0008B9-V3 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 03 Jun 2019 21:30:21 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:52830) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hXyHA-000891-Hm for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jun 2019 21:30:09 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hXyH9-00067r-Dh for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jun 2019 21:30:08 -0400 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=51280 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hXyH9-000644-4S for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jun 2019 21:30:07 -0400 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hXyH4-0014NP-IJ for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Jun 2019 03:30:02 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Cancel-Lock: sha1:YnTcCFuriefI86+Br7M9zCxENVg= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:120730 Archived-At: Drew Adams wrote: > Eli nailed it when he gave his list of the > kinds of things Emacs really needs to improve > its usefulness, especially for programmers > (e.g. IDE features). It's NOT at all about > key bindings and such. But we just heard Emacs does have IDE features, only not in vanilla Emacs or even the the [M]ELPAs? So what Emacs "needs" (yuk, that word) isn't IDE features as much as ways of integrating those that are already there, in the wild, and then keeping up the good work improving them even further? "The truth is out there" -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 https://dataswamp.org/~incal