From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#70212: Customize Group buffer: add button to reveal underlying variable names Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2024 15:27:22 +0300 Message-ID: <86il0w5711.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87jzlcmc3n.5.fsf@jidanni.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="39149"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 70212@debbugs.gnu.org To: Dan Jacobson Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 05 14:29:59 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rsihi-0009vX-Rw for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 05 Apr 2024 14:29:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rsifs-0003zI-5y; Fri, 05 Apr 2024 08:28:04 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rsifl-0003vT-D4 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Apr 2024 08:27:57 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:5::43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rsifl-0005Y3-30 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Apr 2024 08:27:57 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rsifq-0005Ba-DL for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Apr 2024 08:28:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2024 12:28:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 70212 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 70212-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B70212.171232007019881 (code B ref 70212); Fri, 05 Apr 2024 12:28:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 70212) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Apr 2024 12:27:50 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35355 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rsife-0005Aa-7O for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Apr 2024 08:27:50 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:47374) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rsifc-0005AO-CS for 70212@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Apr 2024 08:27:48 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rsifO-0005KH-4M; Fri, 05 Apr 2024 08:27:34 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=pjNrrA9R0M5GGV/fv0PREgC2dgcJrrSe30kZm8GVV5A=; b=XvTzpyJgFqi0qzuY7IWI RZPixUJHJ24u6xzB+FE5YrYXehKGpxooBoHeXO2CB2PX94ujLHLgL41NzK+ursfw55Na5wJbX3ZxP +44a8tq/R6+hoHb+hobPU4mP0WxRNAVZNU7gXSU+IKwijJt/sbUKn8PMx1inSfiW3PCuPI0bOHRcB rgjWvih3dY3mWtzCd/wqwajYecj5Il9YVQIazcY0F9Vj0KblZEAvcNCc/XghTY8YE8gfC4eS9N7q8 yt1JcpqiWdN+uZApsQ+7QoNKijixWKRFZIATDwU0+vpiawmQpRWg+QMp50P6Th+xZO+g64uppy+Nh 2521S29tRnJnZw==; In-Reply-To: <87jzlcmc3n.5.fsf@jidanni.org> (message from Dan Jacobson on Fri, 05 Apr 2024 16:45:48 +0800) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:282701 Archived-At: tags 70212 notabug close 70212 thanks > From: Dan Jacobson > Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2024 16:45:48 +0800 > > The user is in buffer > *Customize Group: Compilation* > > The user sees: > Show Value Compilation Max Output Line Length > Output lines that are longer than this value will be hidden. Hide > If nil, don’t hide anything. > > Try as the user might, there is no way for him to discover the > underlying variable there in the interface. That's not how users are supposed to find out variable names. The Customize user interface is for users who don't need to know the Lisp name of a variable. You can customize this (and any other) variable without knowing its Lisp name; forf all practical purposes its name is "Compilation Max Output Line Length", which is written right there. Which is why this UI doesn't mention the Lisp names of variables: they might confuse users who don't know Lisp. > All he can do is do C-h v and start guessing its name. Finally arriving at The most efficient way of finding out the Lisp name of the variable is to type: M-x apropos-variable RET Compilation Max Output Line Length RET So I'm closing this bug as it is not a bug at all: Emacs behaves as intended here.