From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Checkout the sources for the release branch Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 12:48:17 +0200 Message-ID: <86hcq2a45q.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> References: <4654BBC8.7010201@gmail.com> <4654C2CF.1060402@gnu.org> <4654C5AA.9000204@gmail.com> <4654CC27.3000908@gmail.com> <87odkbunni.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <4654CF9B.40309@gmail.com> <4654D337.8070602@gnu.org> <4654D44C.2000303@gmail.com> <4654D643.70107@gnu.org> <4654D8EC.5080802@gmail.com> <86odkabtlb.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <465563EB.9070400@gmail.com> <86y7jea5oe.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <46556A0B.3060706@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1180003730 6131 80.91.229.12 (24 May 2007 10:48:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 10:48:50 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs Devel To: "Lennart Borgman \(gmail\)" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu May 24 12:48:45 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HrAs9-0007Ph-Iz for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 12:48:45 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HrAsC-00084Q-4D for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 06:48:48 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HrArk-0007n6-5T for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 06:48:20 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HrArj-0007mb-6p for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 06:48:19 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HrArj-0007mU-1J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 06:48:19 -0400 Original-Received: from pc3.berlin.powerweb.de ([62.67.228.11]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1HrAri-00025G-H8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 06:48:18 -0400 Original-Received: from quinscape.de (dslnet.212-29-44.ip210.dokom.de [212.29.44.210] (may be forged)) by pc3.berlin.powerweb.de (8.9.3p3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA00307 for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 12:48:14 +0200 X-Delivered-To: Original-Received: (qmail 19449 invoked from network); 24 May 2007 10:48:17 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (HELO lola.quinscape.zz) ([10.0.3.43]) (envelope-sender ) by ns.quinscape.de (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 24 May 2007 10:48:17 -0000 Original-Received: by lola.quinscape.zz (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 89D188F9E0; Thu, 24 May 2007 12:48:17 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <46556A0B.3060706@gmail.com> (Lennart Borgman's message of "Thu\, 24 May 2007 12\:33\:47 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/23.0.51 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:71719 Archived-At: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" writes: > David Kastrup wrote: > >>>> People who want to be helpful in pretesting should get the pretest >>>> tarballs. That's what they are for. >>>> >>>> People who use CVS can be expected to acquire a minimum of knowledge >>>> for that. >>> And how should they get that? >> >> Manuals exist. I see no point whatsoever in starting a tutorial about >> CVS branches on the Emacs web page. And I see little reason to act >> surprised that without doing anything, one will continue to update to >> trunk instead of EMACS_22_BASE or any other branch. > > I think that you maybe are misunderstanding some things. > > - I am uploading the binaries for w32 from the CVS for others to > test. I do not use the unpatched binaries myself. > > - I do not currently want to spend time setting up for doing the same > thing for the tarballs too. > > - There is nothing on the Savanna page mentioning EMACS_22_BASE. That's why you are supposed to read emacs-devel. > I just did a fresh checkout and did not get EMACS_22_BASE. Why should you, when you are not asking for it? > I guess that is pretty simple to understand (as is nearly everything > we can understand at all) if one knows CVS. I do not know that. That's hardly a problem with Emacs or its web pages. If you have no clue whatsoever about the tools you are using and expect to magically have them switch branches, there is no amount of handholding that could reliably keep you from shooting yourself in your foot. It is not like the existence of EMACS_22_BASE as a _separate_ branch from the trunk has been kept a secret on the list. > - If I complain about something I am not doing that because I just > want to complain. I did find the current situation less useful. I don't see any remedy that would address your problem, namely that you don't understand what you are doing and can't be bothered to read up on it. The discussion about the release branch has been going on for months now. What do you think people are talking about? -- David Kastrup